'Evil destruction' of a happy familyA system involving social workers, police and courts took a child away from loving parents for no apparent reason, writes Christopher Booker.
By Christopher Booker
Published: 5:48PM BST 18 Jul 2009
Comments 311
Two weeks ago I reported as shocking a story as this column has ever covered. It described how a loving family was torn apart when the parents were arrested by police on what turned out to be wholly spurious charges, so that their three children could be taken into care by social workers. As reported on another page, it now seems this awful episode has come to a happy ending.
However a new case has lately been surfacing, if anything even more shocking. This also involved the arrest of two parents and the abduction of their child by social workers, in a story so bizarre that, at last week's Prime Minister's Questions, Gordon Brown was asked about it by the family's MP, Charles Hendry, who has long been concerned with the case because the mother is a vice-chairman of his local Conservative Association. The family's horrified GP says that, in 43 years of medical practice, he has never "encountered a case of such appalling injustice".
I first planned to describe this case in April, but was pre-empted by the draconian reporting restrictions on family cases, which, for reasons which will become tragically clear, have now been partly lifted.
The story began in April 2007 when "Mr Smith", as I must call him, had a visit from the RSPCA over the dog-breeding business he ran from the family home. He had docked the tails of five new-born puppies – a procedure that had become illegal two days beforehand. Unaware of this, he promised in future to obey the new law.
Three days later, however, at nine o'clock in the morning, two RSPCA officials returned, accompanied in cars and riot vans by 18 policemen, who had apparently been tipped off, quite wrongly, that Mr Smith had guns in the house.
Armed with pepper spray, they ransacked the house, looking for the nonexistent guns. The dogs, released from their kennels, also rampaged through the house. When Mr Smith and his wife, who was three months pregnant, volubly protested at what was happening, they were forcibly arrested in front of their screaming five-year-old daughter "Jenny" and taken away. Two hours later, with the house in a shambles – the dogs having strewn the rabbit entrails meant for their dinner across the floor – social workers arrived to remove the crying child.
Held for hours in a police cell, Mrs Smith had a miscarriage. When she was finally set free, she returned home that evening to find her daughter gone. It was the beginning of a barely comprehensible nightmare.
Her husband was charged with various offences connected with the dogs, including the tail-docking, but was eventually given a conditional discharge by a judge who accepted that he was "an animal lover" who had not been cruel to his dogs.
Far more serious, however, was that the social workers seemed determined to hang onto the child, now in foster care, on the sole grounds that they had found the house dirty and in a mess (the "animal entrails" played a large part in their evidence). This was despite the testimony of a woman Pc (who had visited the house a month earlier on a different matter) that she found it "clean and tidy". Two hundred horrified neighbours, who knew the couple as doting parents of a happy, well-cared-for child, were about to stage a protest demonstration when they were stopped by the police, on the social workers' instructions that this might identify the child.
For more than two years the couple have been fighting through more than 100 hearings in the courts to win their daughter back. From a mass of evidence, including psychiatric reports and tape recordings made at meetings with her parents (only allowed in the presence of social workers), it is clear she has been desperate to return home. It is equally clear that considerable pressure has been brought on the child to turn her against her parents,
One particularly bizarre psychiatric report was compiled after only an hour-long interview with the little girl. When she said she had once choked on a lollipop, this was interpreted as signifying that she could possibly have "been forced to have oral sex with her father".
After Mrs Smith alone had been subjected to four different psychiatric investigations, which came up with mixed findings, she refused to submit to a fifth, and this apparently weighed heavily with the judge who last December ordered that "Jenny" should be put out to adoption.
In the Appeal Court 11 days ago, Mr Justice Bodey ruled that, because the mother had refused that fifth test, indicating that the parents put their own "emotional wellbeing" in front of that of their child, the adoption order must stand. When this judgment was reported, an independent social worker, who had earlier been an expert witness in the case, wrote to Mr and Mrs Smith to say he was "horrified" to learn that Jenny was "not back in their care", having assumed for over a year that "she must have been returned home".
Their equally horrified GP, saying that he had never "encountered such a case of appalling injustice", wrote "the destruction of this once happy family is in my opinion evil". So shocked was their MP, Mr Hendry ,that he last Wednesday took the highly unusual course of raising the case with the Prime Minister at question time. Numerous others who know the family well have expressed similar dismay. One neighbour, herself a former social worker, whose own daughter often played with "Jenny", said: "I worked with children in social services for 25 years and I have never seen anything like this. It is disgusting."
What is clear in this case, as in so many others, is that a system involving social workers, police and courts in what is an obviously very close alliance should yet again have left a happy, loving family destroyed for no very obvious reason, Almost equally alarming is the way that system manages to shield itself from the world, through reporting restrictions which it claims are designed to protect the children but which too often end up by protecting only the system itself.
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Comments: 311
It it's so obvious that the social workers in this case had to lie and exagerate the details to get a care order and have to keep lieing to keep the child.
If this case was in the newspapers from day 1, with every social worker and "expert" named, the child would not be on the way to feed the perspective adopter industry and the perspective adopter "needs".
It's this type if injustice that gets hidden in the secret family courts and this type of injustice that causes parents who feel injustice to go to jail for trying to expose the problem. This article should cause more of a driving force to open the all the hearings in family court's, all hearings, including adoption proceedings.
With case details with drastic extremes at the start, the Judge in this case was obviously making orders to pacify the local authority. The same local authority got another baby adopted a few years ago, wven though there was an application in the Court of Appeal and the LA wouldn't let the real father make an application to keep his child in the family. (I know of another forced adoption from the same LA that didn't make the media).
Social workers force adoptions through with such force that it can't be seen as anything but unhealthy and disturbing. It's no wonder that no one wants to join the ranks of a profession that claims to keep families together but in reality, they make adoptive families a higher priority.
The social workers aren't even listening to the child and taking the child's views into consideration. When this poor girl gets older and doesn't trust social workers, they will claim that she has a "disorder" and therefor a risk to her own children.
This case reeks of social engineering and experimentation on humans and their families.
If there was no force in the adoption process (and only parental consent), would this family still be suffering in the way they are now? I doubt it and the social workers involved in this case would be very unhappy and disappointed.
The Police who raided the house have a duty to "serve and protect". They obviously failed in their duty here. More reason to refuse to cooperate with the Police.
I hope the ECHR take notice if this case gets outside the nanny state prison walls of England.
Ian
on July 21, 2009
at 09:31 PM
Report this commentWhere is the county council elected member scrutiny in this case?
The East Sussex county councillor responsible for Children's' Services is Conservative Keith Glazier (email: cllr.keith.glazier@eastsussex.gov.uk).
The East Sussex county councillor responsible for scrutiny of Children's Services is Conservative Michael Ensor (email: cllr.michael.ensor@eastsussex.gov.uk
I am sure that both would carefully consider constructive messages of concern about this case where the services they are responsible for are causing traumatic significant harm to "Jenny" � a child in their corporate "care".
Concerned
on July 21, 2009
at 07:23 PM
Report this commentReplace family court judges by juries when longterm seperation of children from parents or worse still forced adoption is contemplated;
Any burglar facing a prison sentence of 6 months or more can demand a hearing before a jury so how can it be right or just that parents who risk losing their children for life to "forced adoption" are denied this option. Juries consider complicated medical evidence in cases such as murder, and compensation for injuries, also complicated tax laws in cases of fraud, and insider dealing. The simple decision whether a mother accused of risk of emotional abuse should keep her newborn baby or not would I think we must all agree be more likely to favour the mother if considered by a jury but records show that such cases nearly always favour the social services if decided by a judge. That is probably why juries are banned from the family courts but allowed to decide libel cases in other civil courts! To take a newborn baby from its mother and give it away for adoption by strangers is a far far worse punishment for her than any jail sentence as it condemns the mother to a life sentence and the baby to probable death later in life if it should require a kidney or bone marrow transplant or other medical attention in which a birth family member was needed but could not be located! How can this be justice?
ian josephs
on July 21, 2009
at 05:38 PM
Report this commentAnybody who wishes to defend the "care" system on here should take a trip to some of our prisons, youth offenders institutions and red light districts where they can see the futures of our "stolen generation". These hellholes are full of people from our wonderful care system.
Yes it is right to remove a child who is being seriously abused, but is it right to steal a child on spurious claims and take them down this route? Do any of you really know any adults who have made a success of their lives after growing up in our "care system", no I didn't think so. Nobody should ever want to destroy a child's life like this, and for anyone who makes the claim that a child is only taken as a last resort really makes me sick!! Everybody knows now that family court decisions are made on a balance of probability rather than proof. A burglar in a criminal court will get a slap on the hands, whereas a heartbbroken mother in a family court who was a little over anxious about her sick child will receive the worst punishment possible, the removal of her child forever with no possibility of the adoption being reversed. Evil claims made by a network of court appointed crackpots with their crazy theories are destroying lives everyday. My heart breaks for these families. those poor children whose screams are hidden from the public eye.
No-one on here will ever convince me that these people are well meaning, after what they did to my family and I, I will never trust anyone ever again. My advice to anyone with children is if you have the money, emmigrate to somewhere more normal. There is an agenda to break up loving families, I can think of no other reason than that for tearing mine apart. Thanks to an enlightened judge and my determination our precious children came home. We were lucky, most are not. I will always be eternally grateful to her.
We will never feel safe though until they grow up. I smile and love being with my kids, but my heart is so sad.
anon
on July 21, 2009
at 05:30 PM
Report this commentThe solution proposed by Jack the American (20 July, 11:22) would work.But battering RSPCA employees, cops, social workers and judges to death, however satisfying, means the collapse of the rule of law. And then we all lose.
On the other hand, we appear to have here a dysfunctional group hiding behind the law, so what can law-abiding citizens do?
I'd suggest going after the funding of the RSPCA.
The parents should write to HM the Queen setting out the facts of this case and requesting that she withdraws "R" from the RSPCA. Other readers might wish to add their voices to this. That should dent the �110 million they collect each year from an unsuspecting public.
If that doesn't work, I would go after the RSPCA's charitable status - kidnapping kids is not charitable.
I'd leave the cops and social workers to the next government to deal with. With the nation's dreadful financial situation, it will make sense to stop the pensions of state employees dismissed for abuse. Charles Hendry MP may wish to propose this to his boss.
JeremyT
on July 21, 2009
at 05:30 PM
Report this commentNetworks are at large within the family courts such as BASPCAN and PACA. The Cleveland Scandal meant nothing. Reflex Anal Dilatation tests are still being carried out in Leeds to steal children from their loving parents. These doctors should hang their heads in shame!!!
anon
on July 21, 2009
at 04:07 PM
Report this commentWhats the matter people, it's just the New World Order thats all, if you think it's bad now, give it a few years, it will be diabolical.
peter
on July 21, 2009
at 03:58 PM
Report this commentCorruption and blackmail in the Family Court continue.
PAIN, sent a McKenzie representative to the Family Court in Cumbria, to deal with a Public Law Case, we have been involved in, for several months.
On arrival at Court, the Client,chaperoned by her Social Worker, told Yvonne, that if PAIN, continued to be involved in the Case, the Parents would have their Children Adopted,and all forthcoming assessments canceled.
Due to LA threats, we have had to butt out, leaving this poor Lady, with no Legal Representation.
It was to late in the day, for any Children's Panel Solicitor to take on the Case.
I will be speaking to my Co Workers, with reference, to the way forward,and complaint.
Alison Stevens
on July 21, 2009
at 03:12 PM
Report this commentThis case sounds amazingly similar to my case in the states. neighbor takes child from yard calls sheriff. sheriff (friends of neighbor) comes in without warrant and trashes the house doing a search for 3 hours THEN calls the photographer to take pictures. these agencies need some form of control put on them by the public so we can no longer be victimized.
Brett
on July 21, 2009
at 02:26 PM
Report this commentThis is criminal and those responsible must be disqualified from their positions and jailed.
As for whether to believe this account or not, when reading comments like that of Alf here one can surely believe that it could happen and it did happen.
Victoria
on July 21, 2009
at 01:23 PM
Report this commentto gordan brown what are you going to do about this the answer is nothing that is all your good at and as for you mat dunkley you need to go from head of sociel servises do we all agree here
a parent
on July 21, 2009
at 12:37 PM
Report this commentIf you detest and despise social workers,guardians,and family court judges your child will be given away for adoption by strangers !
That is the sad lesson to be learned from this case and countless others that have not achieved the same publicity.
ian josephs
on July 21, 2009
at 11:47 AM
Report this commentOne can only hope that the prospective adoptive parents will be aware of the growing publicity and great public concern about this miscarriage of justice.
Is the local authority fulfilling its duty to keep prospective adopters fully informed of all the relevant issues in this case?
No prospective adopters with any degree of integrity should proceed with an adoption application in these circumstances.
If they do proceed, it is highly likely that the adoption will fail, and that Jenny, when she is older, will reject them and 'vote with her feet' by returning to her natural parents.
Concerned
on July 21, 2009
at 10:26 AM
Report this commentCAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE CRIMINAL SOLICITER WAS MARRIED TO THE FAMILY BARESTER SURELY ONE OF THESE PEAPLE SHOULD OF COME OF THE CASE
BEN TAYLOR
on July 21, 2009
at 10:01 AM
Report this commentCOMMUNITY CARE HEADLINE
http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles/2009/07/20/112149/gscc-suspends-chief-mike-wardle-over-conduct-backlog.html
GSCC suspends chief Mike Wardle over conduct backlog
The General Social Care Council has suspended its chief executive Mike Wardle after the discovery of a backlog of more than 600 referrals involving social workers accused of misconduct.
Posted: 20 Jul 2009 FULL ARTICLE
Heather Collins
on July 21, 2009
at 09:59 AM
Report this commentCAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE CG IN THESE PROCEDINGS HAD HIS OUN ASSESSMANT COMPANTY AND INSTRUCTED HIS BUISSNESS PARTNER IN EAST SUSSEX TO DO AN ASSESSMANT OF THE CHILD HE WASNT TRYING TO GAIN THE MONEY ON THIS CASE ITS BEEN TO MANY DODGY DEALINLINS THEY FORGOT THE CHILD SHE SHOULD OF BEEN TREATED FOR TRAUMA THE CHILD GARDIEN NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL AS HE IS THE CRIMINAL HERE HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
BEN TAYLOR BADFORD
on July 21, 2009
at 09:53 AM
Report this commentThese 'social workers' should be jailed for lengthy periods to deter others.
Dr Roy Eskapa
on July 21, 2009
at 06:58 AM
Report this commentThe public find it hard to believe what is happening to THOUSANDS of parents in the UK.
3 points to make;-
1:-The following extract from a judgement in the House of Lords confirms that alone in Europe the UK CONTINUES to allow and encourage the barbaric practice of taking children from loving and desperate parents and giving them to strangers for closed and secret adoptions without parental consent.
House of Lords - Down Lisburn Health and Social Services Trust. Baroness Hale of Richmond. Judgement
There is, so far as the parties to this case are aware, no European jurisprudence questioning the principle of freeing for adoption, or indeed compulsory adoption generally. The United Kingdom is unusual amongst members of the Council of Europe in permitting the total severance of family ties without parental consent. (Professor Triseliotis thought that only Portugal and perhaps one other European country allowed this.) It is, of course, the most draconian interference with family life possible.
2:-Children taken from parents should legally go to kin where possible.(Qhildren Act 1989)
Although kinship placements are supposed to be the preferred option in this country, only 1 per cent. of social worker-instigated placements ended up with kinship carers, compared with 45 per cent. in Denmark, for example(EVIDENCE given in parliament June 16th 2008 by Tim Loughton MP shadow minister for children)
3:-Physical abuse or emotional abuse?
Baby P was 17 months old when he was tortured by his mother's boyfriend in spite of 60 visits by social workers and 3 visits to hospital. It all culminated with a visit from a specialist paediatrician who failed to notice that he had a broken back, 2 finger tips sliced off, several finger nails pulled out, 12 broken ribs and bruises all over his face and body concealed by chocolate. He would still be alive today if someone just once had given him a cursory physical examination but this was not done, probably because as usual Social Services etc. were intimidated by this brutal child abuser living in smelly and sordid surroundings with his sluttish partner and his Rottweiler dogs so they left the horrible family alone to look for easier prey, mostly among the respectable middle classes.
Most people seem more intent on wreaking vengeance on the murderers of Baby P than preventing the same situation occurring again; may I therefore make a suggestion?
Social Services plead shortage of staff and financial resources as excuses for overlooking torture of children (even after 60 visits to Baby P). In other European countries they take children from parents only if they have been severely physically or sexually abused but in Britain we waste most of out valuable resources fighting cruel cases in secret and costly courts to remove children and even new born babies at �risk of emotional harm� and for similar lesser reasons. The parents of Baby P would never have gone to court to fight for his return if he had been taken earlier as parents that violently physically abuse their children avoid courts like the plague!
Physical torture KILLS KILLS KILLS!!!
Emotional abuse does NOT
Poor school attendance does NOT
A cluttered house does NOT
Witnessing domestic violence does NOT
Hostility to the �professionals� does NOT
A parent with learning problems does NOT
Where therefore should the �SS� priorities lie?
I�m only asking!!
I would have thought myself it was MORE IMPORTANT to concentrate on preventing babies being tortured rather than the more common rush to remove babies AT BIRTH from mothers whom some highly paid psychobabble merchants have decided may at some future date emotionally harm their babies!Crystal ball gazing?
If all the resources of child protection were used to examine thoroughly (looking for visible bruises and burns) say once a month, all those children suspected of having been seriously physically or sexually abused thousands of children�s lives would be saved. At present our resources are wasted fighting in courts to remove happy healthy children from their parents for risk of emotional abuse and similar non life-endangering symptoms. Only parents that truly love their children fight through the gruelling ritual of the secret family courts and against all common sense they nearly always lose. If they dare to protest publicly more than 200 parents a year are jailed (answer to a parliamentary question) for breaking the �omert� wall of secrecy!! If only mothers facing a life sentence by losing children to forced adoption had the right to a hearing by jury most of the present injustices would disappear. In short, what is needed is simply concentration on eradicating physical child abuse and then introducing hearings by juries who would rarely take children in other cases such as �emotional abuse�, cluttered dwellings, poor school attendance etc.
ian josephs
on July 21, 2009
at 06:50 AM
Report this commentCan I use these columns for some thankyous?
FIRSTLY to an old friend Richard who works with Christopher Booker and to Booker himself for their efforts to raise this case and other matters I've flagged up over the years.
Dennis Rice a freelance journalist who I put in touch with the family, who has brought their story alive.
Daniel Foggo who is fighting to 'legal' another major case also listed on:
http://StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com
as with Hollie's case which we have so far put in the media in Scotland who is also now on StolenKids-
http://StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com grew as an idea on my keyboard last Friday - already we have families featured - conversations with people like the dedicated John Hemming MP who is associated with over 600 similar cases with JusticeForChildren, Ian Joseph's ForcedAdoptions and so many more fantastic caring people who are helping me directly and with links.
The links on:
http://StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com
will grow to make it ever better as a clearing house for News, Cases, Journalists, Parents, Law, PRESSURE and much more.
Look at today and let us know what YOU want or need we welcome any ideas which you can add in the comments site.
The aim is to give all of YOU a place to help yourself and others.
IF YOU believe YOU have been abused by the State and Big Brother start your own Blog via
http://StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com
It is all explained there to help you and NONE of this costs YOU anything.
Good luck and thank you to so many I have forgotten!
Greg L-W.
on July 21, 2009
at 06:28 AM
Report this commentKnowing the parents in this case since their initial duplicitous RSPCA raid and all that followed.
Comments are made about rabbit entrails - they ran a small commercial breed kennels, rabbits were prepared in the kitchen and the dogs were in outside closed kennels except subsequent to the raid when the dogs were seemingly released to maraud the hous (unhouse trained kennel dogs!) yes they gained access to the kitchens dragging rabbit parts around the house in the absence of human/adult control.
Do not forget the 3 month pregnat mother was handled with so little sympathy she had a third tremester miscarriage in custody, without comfort, help or medical care!
These parents have 13 years of marriage behind them and their daughter was very much a gift the father was misdiagnosed as infertile and they fought for years to have IVF.
This was a much wanted child.
Neighbours I have spoken with speak in huge support, Doctors support them and the truth WILL out.
They are like you and I, they have characters and personalities, holes in their education and started out with a blind faith in THE STATE - jumping through all the required hoops - providing the SS & the Courts with report after report that could be selectively misquoted.
Who can claim they are perfect parents ALL of the time? We KNOW the SS and the system are NOT very good parents - remember 80% of UK born prisoners were for some part of their childhood in the care of what seems if not a mallign state clearly a misguided state!
http://StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com offers an opportunity for self help and hand holding for all those people who claim to have been abused by the State!
Read some of the other cases and links that have joined this entirely free clearing house for help.
These parents are NOT alone.
Join and help this family and others or seek help at:
htt://StolenKids-Bloggers.Blogspot.com
We offer masses of links to help.
Greg L-W.
on July 21, 2009
at 06:28 AM
Report this commentSocial services are even taking children from mothers who report domestic violence.Social workers have no idea of the dynamics involving domestic violence.Yet they take these children after getting referrals from the police and care orders from the easily led and terrified judges who believe all social services nonsence.
Then they refuse to give childen back to mothers who have separated from their abusers by paying 'court' pyschologists to state that the mother has failed to protect or cant protect which would cause the child 'emotional harm'.
How can a mother be failing to protect when she is reporting the abuse? what else can she do when she is being witch hunted by social workers claiming the mother is 'weak,obsessed with her abuser,puts her relationship before the childs welfare etc.. the list goes on and the majority of women do not fall into this catagory at all!!
Does this government want domestic violence reporting or NOT? DV stats have apparently gone down and the government along with police seem to give themselves a pat on the back...did it ever occur to anyone that women are NOT REPORTING through fear of having their children taken and adopted never to be seen again??
My story was in this newspaper
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3983341/British-social-services-tried-to-kidnap-my-son.html .
Social service shave ruined my life and that of my family. I cannot even return to my home country,the damage that has been done is more damage than my ex partner ever caused me and he certainly didnt damage our childrens lives at the time we were going through his drinking problems. I was doing quite well controlling his behaviour by calling the police before social services came in and created more problems.
Yes there are incidences of domestic violence going wrong and ending up in deaths but as someone said before it is the worst that can happen and very unlikely. In court it was claimed by social services that i had had broken noses,fractured shoulder..i had no such injuries ever! they along with the police also had my ex partner for causing a small red mark on our sons head as a result of him hitting me and me dropping him..THAT WAS A LIE TOO i did not drop my son i put him down during an argument,the mark was probably caused by a typical run around 2 year old tumble, yet it was referred to as a 'swelling' by social workers! .As a result of this my ex partner was labelled with a section 1 having assaulted a child which sent him in even more in turmoil and more drinking!.
I am not excusing his drunken and sometimes violent behaviour i am stating facts from both sides of the fence.
Yet i see how social services work very hard with the police to take children from parents whatever the reason is order to 'butter up' the judge and 'make up things' to justify the reason for their kidnappings.
Forced adoption should be banned so no mistakes are made against innocent parents and a Jury should be brought in to decide if a child should be taken into care or adopted (in the current adoption law) ,this would surely be fairer than a judge who dare not go against what social services say through fear of media etc..
Whilst the government is at it i think no child should be taken from mothers who experince DV instead the courts should deal with the abuser by barring him from the home and giving him the help from the public purse not using it to take children away!
angela
on July 21, 2009
at 06:28 AM
Report this commentThe system from reading that as killed a child and also messed up another childs life, what is this bloody world coming to?
This is sick for the law/system is able to do this to good people how the bad people run the streets and
mess eveything else up.
People need to start standing up for them selfs in this world.
I am getting sick of the law throwing the book at people that stick to the rules and laws.
Hell to the system is this is what the system does.
They have messes that little girls life up for good!!!!.
Rex
on July 21, 2009
at 06:16 AM
Report this comment"There is no real conspiracy at a local level here"....ha-ha-ha
dream-on
clearly-police-were-tipped-off-by-someone.
y-cant-social-services-come-out-from-behind-the-curtain-wot-r-THEY-afraid-of?
good-luck-to-the-family
GIVE-HER-BaCK
on July 21, 2009
at 06:11 AM
Report this commentOne wonders if I can possibly add to this flurry of responses but I must support those comments that tell of collusion and corruption within the care/legal and court systems. You can be rest assured that once you stand in a family court room any hope you previously had of the masses of evidence you have dwindles away quite quickly. They do what the hell they like as they know you cannot say a damn thing. I ended up sacking 3 sols and going LIP and saw first hand the evil they do, the families they destroy , the lies and collusion just make you want to scream...GOD HELP THE CHILDREN IN THE UK AND GLOBALLY FOR THAT MATTER AS WE ARE NOT ALONE...
justamum
on July 21, 2009
at 06:11 AM
Report this commentIf ss havnt got anything to hide the public want to hear these tapes the parents have recorded over two years on these wicked wicked people perhaps someone could stick their neck out and arrange this after all isnt this in the publics interest and all these nutty social workers who have blogged this site would have the evidence in front of them .After all we know you need help with your parinoea and mental illnesses and if your in denialal we may force you to leave your husband.Even though you may of had 25yrs of happy marriage
hirley
on July 21, 2009
at 12:06 AM
Report this commenti must congratulate ian joseph for being spot on about the advice he gives to parents to fight the wicked ss free of charge may i ad the man needs a night hood
a clark
on July 21, 2009
at 12:06 AM
Report this commentHave just read up on ewhat I missed during the day.Wow 278 postings, and Ionly found 1 that were againt the family. The name
Elaine Supkis, a pretty distured
individual. It showes she did not read the article properly, as to her comment. She then goes on to say she was a victim of child abuse. you can't hold everyone else as guilty just because you suffered at the hands of your parents. I would advise you to seek some kind of therepy, as you obviously are encountering
problems. My suggestion is you print out all of the posting all 277 of them and show them your. That will save the long process of analysing your case
rose jay
on July 20, 2009
at 11:26 PM
Report this commentJ Donahoo
Children are people.They have a right to confidentiality too. Even when it is inconvenient for the adults. Otherwise a child who has been abused will not feel safe enough to explain anything in case they are returned to an abuser. They will not wish to have their "disloyalty" exposed. Abused children often do still love even terrible parents. "Transparency" would just increase their inner turmoil and distress.Imagine a rape victim having to confront a rapist who they might have to go home with later.
Checks and balances must not mean
that all children and vulnerable people are sacrificed.All because a few parents with little insight into their own mental states or behaviour, or journalists with naked ambition want to make a fuss.
It cannot be beyond this country to create a system with trustworthy checks and balances. This will never mean there are no mistakes. It will never mean there can be decisions without pain.
What are the checks and balances now? That is what we need to know.
Ursa Major
on July 20, 2009
at 11:23 PM
Report this commentIan Josephs How many dead children? How many other children having to be taken into care does it take before "the next" baby is taken into care right away?
In Holland they are suggesting to proven inadequate parents that they do not have another baby for a year or two. By your reckoning no one should say anything and the next baby turns up ,is neglected, and ends up in care or dies. All at vast expense to the taxpayer and a crummy life for that child. You suggest
never setting any limits on people with proven mental health problems, or addictions, or previous failed parenting, or people knowingly choosing to stay with a violent partner. We don't set enough limits. There are 500,000 referrals
and only 30,000 are picked up. If we made it very clear what such limits were the exercise of any authority might but only might be less necessary. If one is talking about a person who is very limited
for one reason or another reason does not much come into it.
Ed
on July 20, 2009
at 11:22 PM
Report this commentA STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF JENNYS PARENTS We are overwelmed by all the comments that the good people are leaving on the blog.It seems there is too many people that understand that there is a huge problem with the family courts in the uk. In the time this case has been run for we have heard a huge number of complaints from other parents who have been trapped in this evil web of destruction .children are being abused by being seperated by their biological parents for no good reason this is such an evil crime being comitted. we will be running a campain to have family courts open their doors to the press and to have peoples cases brought to the media attension and their local mps so the goverment can be made aware of so many peoples complaints and its just not swept under the carpet . we would like to give the ultimate respect for the people who are working in our case and others alike our hearts go out to you all a big thankyou to dennis rice for making this case public to the media and all the support he has given to us.We would also like to thank charles hendry mp from the conservative party who has been involved for over two years and has supported us fully .John hemming mp from the libral dems who is totally commited and a compationate man to have family courts open to the press and also chris brooker who led the story in the sunday telegraph.And all of the other journilist who believe that this should be stopped which they are growing in numbers to get a better system in the courts so that familys can have a fair trial. and for this abuse to be stopped on inocent children.Yes we are devostated beyond belief jenny was our world and we feel that our hearts have been ripped out there is not a second that goes by without thinking about jenny. We are not prepaired to sit back and let her be adopted lets make a stand and do something about family law in this country.To many people do not protest and let these evil ss have their own way its time to make a stand dont keep quiet tell your mp.Our hearts go out to everyone in the same situation just remember your not alone, we will support you as much as we can god bless you all from jennys parents
jennys parents
on July 20, 2009
at 11:22 PM
Report this commentAs a parent and an American all I can say is this - If ANYONE cop, judge, social worker, etc. ever took my kid from me they would simply die. I would find each one involved and work them over with a shovel. Simple as that.
Their diplomas, badges, and uniforms would be very little protection from my wrath.
Jail would mean nothing to me compared to the satisfaction of literally seeing the life force fade from their eyes by my hands.
Their veil of secrecy would not be enough. I would find them all and do society a favor in the bargain.
Jack Mehoffer
on July 20, 2009
at 11:22 PM
Report this commentReply to Elaine Supkis:
If your goals are so noble and pure then why do you need secrecy to execute them?
It may be as you say that these parents put the children at risk, but if that were the case, could they have garnered 200 witnesses to their defense?
Not to mention they have notes from a previous visit that state the house was "neat and tidy".
Not to mention there is videotaped evidence that social workers tried to turn the child against the parents.
The only thing queer here is your attitude that you are the soul arbiter of people's behavior, using the most spurious evidence before pounding with your gigantic gavel *GUILTY*.
Witch trials were held in secret too.
Protecting the identity of the children is hogwash. This is a secret society beholden to nobody, reveling in their power to hold parents in the palm of their hand and deciding whether to squish them or not. Evil loathsome things crawl in the dark. These creatures cannot stand the light of day. I say repeal the secret veil. Open family court workings to all (if you're all so honest and pure, then there is nothing to hide).
John Donahoo
on July 20, 2009
at 10:15 PM
Report this commentAnon You have just displayed such paranoia and disturbed thinking I am not in the least surprised there was concern. Everyone but you was wrong. They were all in it together. And they were all lizards underneath eh?
Alistair
on July 20, 2009
at 10:15 PM
Report this commentAlthough 'Ed' has stated that they are not a social worker I suspect they are part of the 'system'. In the past fortnight I have had to give my usual advice to those about to go through the 'system'.The advice was accepted albeit with a certain amount of disbelief. I wasn't surprised though when a phone call informed me that certain members had been caught attempting to pervert the course of justice and the evidence had gone to the appropriate authorities. In fact they stated that the evidence'had been handed on a plate' indicating that these deceitful individuals were confident in their ability to go undetected.
Heather Collins
on July 20, 2009
at 09:42 PM
Report this commentActually Ed unpleasant social workers and bent judges DO steal newborn babies said to be " at risk of emotional abuse" Psychobabble charlatans peer into virtual crystal balls anf predict future disaster for hundreds of these babies; Parents who dispute their predictions are simply told that the experts know best !
Get real and see what IS happening in the UK that is NOT happening anywhere else in Europe.
ian josephs
on July 20, 2009
at 09:42 PM
Report this commentAlan I am not a social worker at all. The more people scream for blood the less good people will want to become social workers. Screaming for blood will mean people will fill out forms, never leave the office, and not use their
eyes and common sense. The more screaming there is the worse it will get. People will not manage worrying situations they will cover their backsides.
All this just ramps up blame culture. It does nothing to improve anything.
Since we want all this done on the cheap it is hard to imagine how things can be improved. But we are all dishonest. We do not want to pay.
The public seem to think there are no checks and balances. The public seems to think a few social workers in collusion with a bent or dim judge steal children. Perhaps the public need to be better informed about how it all works and about the hellish decisions that have to be made. Decisions that will cause pain either way and can only be least worst.
And Joseph Health Visitors have to be nurses with extra experience. They are not thick at all.They know about early child development. One of the few sensible things this Govt has done is http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/social_exclusion_task_force/family_nurse_partnership.aspx
Sort it all our early and a child might actually do well.
Ed
on July 20, 2009
at 07:49 PM
Report this commentAs a "victim" of the cruel family court I cannot tell the public enough how bad it really is in there. We are fantastic parents who had our children stolen for absolutely nothing. After a long fight, in which our lawyers even conspired against us, we managed to win them back and were fully exonerated. Let me tell you I never saw the nasty, druggie parents in those courts, just innocent, heartbroken parents pleading, screaming and crying for their kids to be returned.
They use the phrase "in the interest of the child" well I neer saw any evidence of it. My children were assaulted while trying to cling on to me as they dragged them away. Their cries will haunt me forever. My children only saw us a couple of hours a week, no telephone calls were allowed. If I cried in front of them I was threatened that I could not see them again as I WAS UPSETTING THEM!!!
The social workers are not the only culprits, we had a paediatrician who committed perjury on the stand, a psychologist who blackmailed me, absolutely unbelievable. The schools, the police, the GP, the health visitor, the court appointed crackpots, they're all in it together.
They wanted my children because they are very good looking and highly intelligent. It is a social engineering experiment, why else were we forced to have IQ tests? We are intelligent people, perhaps not as rich as their prospective adopters.
Our lives have been destroyed, our kids are badly damaged and I have nowhere to turn due to the stigma. I do not want to hear from people defending this corruption on here, quite frankly you do not have a clue what you are talking about, and if you are a social worker you do not act on the interests of a child, you systematically abuse them!!!! I know what my children have told me since their return.
anon
on July 20, 2009
at 07:49 PM
Report this commentVery little has changed, since the horrendous events of Cleveland in 1986 where over 200 Children were wrongly taken into Care,after allegations of sexual abuse were made, against Parents.
Conflicting Medical Evidence was given by Paediatrician Dr Marietta Higgs,in the family courts,later to be dismissed by other profeshionals,after her theories were challenged.
Since the tragic death of Baby Peter in Haringey,and other Local Authority failings up and down the Country, Care Proceedings have risen by 75% in some areas.
Babies are being taken from Hospitals, within the West Midlands,on Emergency Protection Orders, from Mothers, within hours of birth, in some cases Social Services have very little evidence to support such drastic action.
If common sense doesn't prevail, there could be many other Parents, that could suffer miscarriages of justice,and forced adoption,via the secret family courts.
Alison Stevens
on July 20, 2009
at 07:03 PM
Report this commentLike many 'indignation' stories, this one leaves out a lot of details. The details told here do sound very fishy. For example, the 'rabbit entrails' that ended up all over the house: if this was for feeding the dogs (!!!!), how did the dogs get access to this stringy body parts? Normally, when one stores this sort of food, it is kept in refrigerators.
So, how did it move from refrigerator to the floors if the adults were absent?
Secondly: the story mentions the pack of dogs were turned loose. By whom? This is left out since I suspect, the parents had the dogs loose. Indeed, putting 2+2 together, I bet the dogs were accustomed to running riot in the house and the entrails were left scattered about as play toys for the dogs (I never feed my dogs rabbit entrails!).
Since these two key items are already rather odd, to put it mildly, I bet a lot of the rest of the story is equally queer. I have had to sue to remove children from hazardous homes in the past.
The parents always claim the roaring messes were temporary, accidental or caused by the police. Always, the children want mommy and daddy and all mommy and daddy have to do is a minimum of housekeeping, proper food handling, etc.
But they won't do this! Why? Who knows. People get very set in their ways. If they are used to rabbit entrails lying about, they don't notice this, for example. If beds are not cleaned or rotting food lies on the sofa, they don't notice it, this is 'normal'. The list of things that are 'normal' can grow tremendously long.
This is why social services has to step in. If the parents are even slightly cooperative, everything works out. I have represented people who lost custody of children and I always advise them to be polite, cooperative and to try to change their own lives. The ones who try this find the courts to be suddenly very cooperative.
As a victim of child abuse, myself, I feel very strongly that children should get help. I even asked my parents to put me up for adoption when I was young. They refused. When I became an adult, they even would attack me verbally, telling me I was crazy and not them being crazy! When I retort, 'Why didn't you get psychiatric help for me?' They clam up.
This is classic for child abusers. They blame the child, and if the state steps in, they blame the state. Never do they look in the mirror.
Elaine Supkis
on July 20, 2009
at 07:03 PM
Report this commentEd @ at 02:18 PM said: "Dogs do kill children and maim others. Dogs can give kids worms that blind them and give pregnant women toxoplasmosis."
Yours is the mentality that all the rest of us dread for the injury it inflicts when given secret and ungoverned power. You epitomise the liberal fascist mindset. I take it you are a social worker.
alan143
on July 20, 2009
at 06:19 PM
Report this commentEveryone involved in this discussion seems to want to prosecute/persecute individuals.
People with the best of motives make mistakes. They need to be better trained and educated, not burned at the stake.
Grow up!
Andrew Daley
on July 20, 2009
at 06:00 PM
Report this commentThis story is amazingly similar to ours. We had all 5 of our children taken. We are dog breeders and they used the same excuse for keeping our children while they drummed up other charges. After 8 months we finally got our children back but only after amassing bills of over 200,000.00. Our story is published on kidjacked.com as part of our fight to expose Social Services for what they are.
fred dinwiddie
on July 20, 2009
at 04:44 PM
Report this commentDamned if they DO snatch newborn babies for 'risk of emotional abuse"
Damned if they DON'T rescue babies with bruises,broken bones,and multiple cigarette burns on their bodies .
Quite right to damn them both times for removing happy healthy children for adoption and callously leaving badly injured children to die just because they are not "good adoption material"
If the little girl in the case described had been miserable and battered she would doubtless have been left with her parents;As it was however her happiness and general wellbeing destroyed her !
ian josephs
on July 20, 2009
at 04:44 PM
Report this commentDamned if they DO snatch newborn babies for 'risk of emotional abuse"
Damned if they DON'T rescue babies with bruises,broken bones,and multiple cigarette burns on their bodies .
Quite right to damn them both times for removing happy healthy children for adoption and callously leaving badly injured children to die just because they are not "good adoption material"
If the little girl in the case described had been miserable and battered she would doubtless have been left with her parents;As it was however her happiness and general wellbeing destroyed her !
ian josephs
on July 20, 2009
at 04:21 PM
Report this commentDamned if they DO snatch newborn babies for 'risk of emotional abuse"
Damned if they DON'T rescue babies with bruises,broken bones,and multiple cigarette burns on their bodies .
Quite right to damn them both times for removing happy healthy children for adoption and callously leaving badly injured children to die just because they are not "good adoption material"
If the little girl in the case described had been miserable and battered she would doubtless have been left with her parents;As it was however her happiness and general wellbeing destroyed her !
ian josephs
on July 20, 2009
at 04:21 PM
Report this commentThe recent Laming report means a terrifying system could actually get far worse. The report recommends Health Visitors are trained in child protection - a job which requires low intellectual capacity and is ripe for poorly educated staff making unsubstatiated accusations.
What happens when these stories are so numerous and everyone knows someone who's child has been snatched and people stop taking their children to their GP or hospital because they're terrified that any illness or injury could be put down to abuse ?
People have to have trust in the medical service.
J. Bennett
on July 20, 2009
at 04:13 PM
Report this commentIf Social Services are using ridiculous post-Freudian analysis (vid. the lollipop issue) in order to a make a case for a child to be taken away from its parents, then no family is safe, no matter how excellent the parenting might be.
It seems that if they get it into their heads that they want to take a child away, they will fabricate whatever case they can, whether or not there is any justification for it.
Hubert
on July 20, 2009
at 04:13 PM
Report this commentA big thank you to the Daily Telegraph. It is 10 years since I first offered to help a parent going through a 'forced adoption' with the sudden shocking realisation that the whole system was corrupt.
The Press and MPs are now listening on a scale never before experienced. In the words of a parent, 'It won't be long now'.
Heather Collins
on July 20, 2009
at 04:03 PM
Report this commentA big thank you to the Daily Telegraph. It is 10 years since I first offered to help a parent going through a 'forced adoption' with the sudden shocking realisation that the whole system was corrupt.
The Press and MPs are now listening on a scale never before experienced. In the words of a parent, 'It won't be long now'.
Heather Collins
on July 20, 2009
at 04:03 PM
Report this commentA recent story in another newspaper reports a record number of adoptions are failing with children being returned to children's homes because their behaviour is so disturbed, the adoptive parents can't cope.
Of course it makes sense that kidnapping and adopting out children from loving and stable families (on spurious or fictional grounds) will improve adoption statistics (whether financially incentivised or not)since those children will not have behavioural problems.
I would never adopt since I could not be 100% sure the child had not been forcibly removed from a perfectly adequate and loving family. I could never be involved in such a cruel and immoral process.
Judith A
on July 20, 2009
at 03:55 PM
Report this commentKevin Wardle There is no such thing as a "good" social worker. There is no way to make perfect decisions. Taking away a child at risk is always going to be painful. That will not change and it is delusional to think it.Painful decisions may still be the right ones.
What strikes me about this case is ,was this child covered in flea bites? Was there dog mess about the house? Or was she playing in the midst of a large number of dogs who could at any time turn pack and rip her to shreds? People who work with animals can become very very complacent. Now if any of these things were the case how could anyone think that leaving a child at risk would be right? Were these tiny dogs or large ones?
Dogs do kill children and maim others. Dogs can give kids worms that blind them and give pregnant women toxoplasmosis.
Ed
on July 20, 2009
at 02:18 PM
Report this commentKevin Wardle There is no such thing as a "good" social worker. There is no way to make perfect decisions. Taking away a child at risk is always going to be painful. That will not change and it is delusional to think it.Painful decisions may still be the right ones.
What strikes me about this case is ,was this child covered in flea bites? Was there dog mess about the house? Or was she playing in the midst of a large number of dogs who could at any time turn pack and rip her to shreds? People who work with animals can become very very complacent. Now if any of these things were the case how could anyone think that leaving a child at risk would be right? Were these tiny dogs or large ones?
Dogs do kill children and maim others. Dogs can give kids worms that blind them and give pregnant women toxoplasmosis.
Ed
on July 20, 2009
at 01:47 PM
Report this commentKevin Wardle There is no such thing as a "good" social worker. There is no way to make perfect decisions. Taking away a child at risk is always going to be painful. That will not change and it is delusional to think it.Painful decisions may still be the right ones.
What strikes me about this case is ,was this child covered in flea bites? Was there dog mess about the house? Or was she playing in the midst of a large number of dogs who could at any time turn pack and rip her to shreds? People who work with animals can become very very complacent. Now if any of these things were the case how could anyone think that leaving a child at risk would be right? Were these tiny dogs or large ones?
Dogs do kill children and maim others. Dogs can give kids worms that blind them and give pregnant women toxoplasmosis.
Ed
on July 20, 2009
at 01:47 PM
Report this commentI understand that a measure of the competence of the SS and the cohorts of the State as surrogate parents is the indiginously born prison population!
I understand approaching 80% of the prison population of those born in Britain were for part or all of their childhood in the 'care' of the state!
Perhaps if the state spent less time filling quotas and enforcing the Frankfurt School's Communist policies of Political Correctness to apease the plethora of parasitic QUANGOs we might find there were less Baby Peters, less Victoria Collumbies, less need to promote paediatricians FROM Cumberland, less products of care homes in prison and a far happier safer society.
Perhaps too the Judges could buy trousers as they look completeley out of place wearing red frocks and wigs in family courts - clearly done to bolster their obvious inadequacies and intimidate.
If YOU have been abused by the Family Courts, the police, the SS, jobsworths and busy bodies too idle to seek out the hard cases see if YOUR case might benefit from:
http://StolenKids-Bloggers.Blogspot.com
Perhaps YOU can help those who have already posted their story.
Greg L-W.
on July 20, 2009
at 01:12 PM
Report this commenta clark states:
i was in court on the day of the appeal it looked like the lord justice bodey was wearing make up and lipstick did anybody else notice this and is it normal for a man to wear makeup.
Hi,
one has to ask if it is entirely appropriate to use the full planopy of the law in all its intimidating nature to bully parents into submision whilst pretending to the interests of the child!
You ask 'is it normal for a man to wear makeup' sadly as normal as a man seeking to help families reach compassionate outcomes whilst wearing a pillar box red frock and a wig!
The sad man should have been taken away from his parents and put in a home and sequentially b*****ed and he might be less of an over paid pompous ass.
Perhaps a clark has a tale to tell in assistance at:
Thanks for any help.
Greg L-W.
on July 20, 2009
at 01:04 PM
Report this commentIts about time this whole system was brought out into the open, the good social workers have nothing to fear, unfortunately the standards have dropped and most new social workers are so young they have no life experience.
To give any organisation so much power without public scrutiny will always be abused by the minority.
We have seen all to often of late where good familys have been destroyed and children in real need dying because of poor social workers and lack of transparency.
In an open system poor social workers can be weeded out and good social workers can be given the respect their work deserves.
kevin wardle
on July 20, 2009
at 12:30 PM
Report this commentCPS Sucks
There is something worng with the way social services is conceived and how little actually it is funded. .There is something wrong with people going into Social Services with strong politics but little education. There is something wrong with a culture (also media driven) which hangs, draws, and quarters Social Workers when deaths happen as they will.
The State cannot do it all and it is not possible to get all this "right".Let me repeat that. There is no way to get all this right. Someone will always get hurt. It is total fantasy to imagine otherwise. We have handed it all over to the State and demanded perfection. There is no such thing. Sweden does better but there is still no perfection.
Who in their right mind would become a social worker. Badly paid and wrong always.
We actually don't care or we would fund it train people from different professions to do it and we would back them up. But as Joe has said what this is about is making money for journos and feeding Christians to lions for public entertainment.
The idea that all the differing professionals are stupid ,evil, or in cahoots is just wrong. This will make it all worse not better. As someone who hears from children about hurts they suffer I can tell you it will. these are not matters for a public circus. Parents will not always get what they want.
The media has become ego driven
and semingly omnipotent. We do not have a "right" to know and "knowing" will fuel the dramas of parents with PDs. It will also increase the hurt of children and of parents who have to let them go.
By all means question the structure but do not sacrifice people for journalistic hubris.
Ursa Major
on July 20, 2009
at 12:03 PM
Report this commentI think there are two other major issues why cases like this go so wrong and cause such damage to children.
First, is that there is no effective quality control over the single judge who hears such cases � and Judges are as prone to bias and over-emotional involvement and consequent distorted perceptions as are all professionals.
Second, is my understanding that the companies who insure local authorities (e.g. Zurich) require that social services never concede that they have made mistakes (no matter how obvious the mistakes are and how disastrous the consequences).
Concerned
on July 20, 2009
at 11:45 AM
Report this commentThis case is appalling, and I dread to think how many other horrific incidents there are involving other families. The professionals involved should be named, prosecuted and struck off. This is State-sanctioned child abuse of the highest order.
I can only suggest that all families affected by abuse from social workers and medical professionals cease complying with gagging orders, and publish their stories on the internet and in letters to the press. Name names, tell your story, they cannot arrest all of you, and as they have already stolen your children I doubt there is much worse the State can do to you. We need to know how big this problem is, so that the ordinary citizens can fight for you. We need to know who is committing this abuse. If social workers and medical incompetents are known, we can avoid them ourselves.
The rest of us can do our best to state dismantling the State data capturing, monitoring and surveillance regime. All volunteers, stop helping out. Those who benefit from your actions will understand. Refuse to give personal details to organisations that ask for them. Write to your local authority and ask how many children have been removed from parents in your area - cite the Freedom of Information act.
The sane and sensible majority of this country needs to get off its backside and act, NOW!
Jennifer
on July 20, 2009
at 11:16 AM
Report this commentI have known of and was witness to deliberate assaults and the break up of a family as long ago as the early 1970's.
It was not long after those events that I recognise by the mid-1970's that what I had winessed was simply a run of the mill affair.
As webmaster for / at:
http://www.uk-human-rights.org/mikewar.htm
I relate the gist of those events in comjunction with other realities and realisations.
Mr Broker and the Telegraph will be welcome to any additional information in respect of the material stated at the URL and any other states reported / covered / exposed at the website.
Andrew Yiannides
yiandrew@bulldoghome.com
Londo
Andrew Yiannides
on July 20, 2009
at 11:16 AM
Report this commentThere are many cases that I know of where the social services have shown complete disregard for the children's welfare. What do you blame? Government Targets? Social workers massive ego's? They're all on a power trip and when you see the level of intelligence of the people who are flocking into this "profession" you see that it can only get worse. Social workers are dangerous people - they are generally more of a threat to a child and family than anything else I could name.
Paula
on July 20, 2009
at 10:27 AM
Report this commentThis story is a tragedy, yes, but not uncommon. The BBC's excellent "File on 4" at the end of last year focussed on the way that the RSPCA involved itself even more closely with childcare work and become "embedded" using the Links Group. The "charity", although it formally dropped its declaration for animal rights at the end of the 1990s, is still very political. The fact that the poor mother was Vice-Chairman of the Conservative Association can't have helped. The fact that her husband was a dog breeder, whose livlihood depended on dealing with dogs will have put them in the sights of the "NULABA" extremists that run the RSPCA. Look for connections between lawyers handling the childcare case and the RSPCA's private prosecution. Were the advocates all based at "RSPCA Chambers"? Have the Solicitor prosecuting the husband and the barrister doing the childcare case for the Council had children together?
David Tyne
on July 20, 2009
at 10:27 AM
Report this commentNothing has changed since the Cleveland Child Abuse scandal, only the actions of a courageous MP (Stuart Bell, labour)ensured some justice occurred. The official inquiry led by Butler Schloss was a complete whitewash...
mark
on July 20, 2009
at 10:27 AM
Report this commentIt seems very stage that we appear to have a system which allows children taken away from their parents for no good reason, while in other cases children that have a proven history of being abused are left with their parents, sometimes with tragic consequences.
Andrew Wimble
on July 20, 2009
at 09:35 AM
Report this commentLike all your readers, I'm sure, I was incensed by the item about the "Smith" family. Could and should not action be taken by members i.e. councillors, of the local authority that employs these social workers? Surely they must be accountable to their employers? Why has Charles Hendry not taken this up with his local councillors?
John Boast
on July 20, 2009
at 09:16 AM
Report this commentjenny should be home with her family and friends social services should just come to terms with this case and give upand own up to their mistakes oh no but they wont because no one wants to take the blame they should sack all of them they have no interest in the children they take it all money money money what a disgrace to this country
ben
on July 20, 2009
at 08:53 AM
Report this commentThis case is sadly not unusual.
Did you hear about the family in Plymouth who asked for a second opinion before giving permission for their daughter to have a bone marrow test.
They did not have confidence in the specific doctor.
They had an order slapped on them and their 3 children stolen! The tests were forced on their daughter and proved the doctor was wrong.
Their twins born shortly after were stolen in the delivery room!
Their 6th. child was stolen before they could take it home from hospital last month!
So far they have had 44 Court appearances and the twins have been forcibly adopted.
They have added their story to:
http://StolenKids-Bloggers.Blogspot.com
in the hope of help.
You can add your help or your story & we would love any support you can give to these abused families to fight for Justice.
Greg L-W.
on July 20, 2009
at 08:40 AM
Report this commentWhat about Mr. Lego?
Have you ever troden on a piece of lego in bare feet?
This father did and all because oif that he has had his children stolen.
He has just added his story for help and as an example at:
http://StolenKids-Lego.Blogspot.com
If you have a story to tell and need help go to http://StolenKids-Bloggers.Blogspot.com
Greg L-W.
on July 20, 2009
at 08:40 AM
Report this commentThe article says the previous case had a happy ending but I can't find a story where that is covered. For those of us living outside the UK could someone elaborate on the outcome of the couple who committed the heinous crime of being over-protective of their kids.
Mark from OZ
on July 20, 2009
at 08:24 AM
Report this commentThis SAD case is just one of many - hidden by the claim of anonimity which provides a secrecy to protect not the children nor the family but the powdered pampered and utterly detatched Judges and lawyers - secrecy to shelter the SS and the funding of the many useless reports, payments for the 'right' opinions from carers and official guardians who have turned misery into a well funded abuse in its own right!
It seems all too clear the secrecy is to protect the authorities not the families.
To aid the victims there is a self help clearing point at http://StolenKids-Bloggers.Blogspot.com where those under attack and those wishing to help them can all come together with anonimity or openly as THEY deem most appropriate.
Pass the address to anyone you know who can help or need help.
Good luck to the victims - who often end up merely fulfilling quotas where they langusish in childrens' homes.
Meanwhile the corrupt use the silence for self enrichment!
Already in three days the StolenKids-Bloggers.blogspot.com has come alive and it will grow as a self help resource and a force for good - in the hands of the families and supporters.
Good luck to the honest.
Greg L-W.
on July 20, 2009
at 07:28 AM
Report this commentOh it won't stop here.
Soon children will be separated from their parents (and the parents probably arrested) for such 'abuse' as the family holding a religion, believing in democracy or reading the wrong kind of books (you know, the ones with heterosexual parents or some concept of morality.)
The country continues it's slide to total communism.
It can't be stopped now. The EUSSR will see to that. First chance I get, I'm outta here! I'm recently married. The UK is no fit country for family.
laurence Coombes
on July 20, 2009
at 07:19 AM
Report this commentJoe
on July 19, 2009
at 07:07 AM Wrote:
"The reporting of this story is written in such pejorative language as to almost defy belief and the reason for it, as far as I can see, has less to do with indignation at the treatment of the family but more about whipping up anger on reporting restrictions. The press want to get inside the family courts. This is about expanding their market as much as it has anything to do with righteous indignation. I always get an uncomfortable itch when the Press become 'righteous'. The lives of families caught in these situations should be spared from the salacious ogling of profit making private companies and a gawping, voyueristic, and judgmental section of the public who are only too quick to spew bile on those they deem unworthy at the bottom of a column such as this."
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Let me guess. You're a social worker, or someone with something to lose by freedom of the press. Child Protective Services, and all its subindustries fear, more than anything else, the exposure of their hypocrisy and lies. For once the press exposes them, they can no longer reap the financial and other rewards that come with being deemed a child protector. The truth will out, Joe. I would start looking for a different form of employment, and find some way to make amends to the children, families, and society. Being a whistle blower might be a start.
CPSsucks
on July 20, 2009
at 06:15 AM
Report this commentMy father was a (old-fashioned on call 24/7) GP from '54 to '86 - very involved in the community, went out his way to visit (although not always necessary on his rounds) the elderly, young, vulnerable and lonely.
I remeber that even in those days he daily cursed social workers as a blight on society and as an impediment to him doing his job properly.
Not much changes does it?
John W
on July 20, 2009
at 06:11 AM
Report this commentI have noticed from reading through these comments that there is a belief, though not widely held, that this case is somewhat unique and so, by implication, we should not worry too much. NOTHING could be further from the truth.
I have to read emails from people suffering in these ways day after day and not just in Britain but all over the western world. Everywhere in fact that Socialism has left its grubby hand prints. In almost every case, the story with regard to the official response to parents and children is the same. Judges make appalling, brutal and savage judgements based on nothing more than hearsay or one sided reports, compiled in secrecy by idiots with an agenda. Policemen and women rush to remove children from homes on the say so of social workers and often use violence to do so. Without apparently, ever stopping to consider anything so trite as evidence of wrong doing. A mere suspicion that something might be wrong is often enough.
Now, we must be careful here. If there is a suspicion that a child is being hurt then that child should be taken to safety. However, once in a safe place, every effort should be made to collect evidence that the suspicion is justified and that should be done by people with no axe to grind who are not social workers involved in the case. Only when all other avenues of investigation have been completed should social workers involved be allowed to submit their evidence. The compilation of that evidence should be overseen by others not involved in the case also.
Neighbours and friends need to be interviewed to see if they have seen or heard things of note or concern. No one should be allowed to make an anonymous accusation against anyone. Parents should be interviewed apart and then again together by the police. If the suspicion is one of sexual or physical abuse then the child needs to be examined by the local hospital staff and not a select band of so-called experts all working from the same silly theoretical model they picked up in some conference of hippy type psychiatrists in Copenhagen one Summer.
Redress needs to be made available for those who are falsely accused against their false accusers with adequate levels of compensation being paid for the distress caused and in cases where redress is sought, all paperwork pertaining to the case should be made available. Judges, "experts," social workers managers, medical staff and police officers at all levels should be made to face the courts if their decisions are proven to be incompetent and which have led to harm under the Common Law description of harm. Legal aid for parents seeking redress should be automatic if financial hardship is proven, the costs being met by the State, or by the accused, if they are found guilty.
Cases of child abuse should be given number one priority over all other cases to ensure the system is as fast as care allows and the damage done to the family is minimal.
Parents in cases where the child shows no signs of any physical or real sexual abuse, should not be prevented from seeing their child and should do so daily under supervision to maintain their parental bond while the investigation goes ahead.
The whole outlook should be of returning the child to its parents as quickly as possible unless there are very good grounds for believing that doing so would endanger the child.
It is unreasonable to expect a parent who has just seen their child taken from them to be anything other than distraught. Therefore, it is also unreasonable for their natural anger, confusion and fear to be used against them in a court room unless their reaction is excessive or violent.
The entire court procedure should be open to the public except in cases where the parents themselves, or, the child if legally of age, request secrecy. To claim that anonymity in court protects the child from the public gaze or from guilt etc., is completely false. It assumes that the people who know the family will never notice or talk about the fact that the child is no longer with the parents. In fact, by the time the case comes to court, the whole community will know about it and it will be public knowledge any way. Openness in the courts would tend to end any malicious gossip in the community also.
If a parent is unfit to take care of the child for some temporary reason and other members of the family are willing to take over the upbringing of the child in a temporary capacity, they should be allowed to do so and have preferential rights to do so in law. Safeguards could easily be put in place to ensure that the child is returned to its natural home should the circumstances alter sufficiently for this to happen safely.
Where the parent is a single parent, the absent parent should always be contacted where known and asked if they wish to take over responsibility for the child BEFORE any adoption or care procedures are allowed to take place. I say this because, another thing I hear all of the time is that absent fathers (and rarely, mothers too) are often not absent through choice and would love to have access to their own children. If the absent parent consents and, they are found to be a fit and proper person to have the child, then all maintenance payments etc., should be transferred to the benefit of the new parent.
Below is a press release from Grandparents Apart UK. This is just one of four such cases I have read about in my email box this week. It would be of far more use to the country if an official body were set up to examine these cases independently and to have the power to intervene in a meaningful way whenever such cases are found to be unjust.
Press release
18th July 2009
The Scottish mother who told everyone she was going to visit a friend in Belfast but fled to the republic of Ireland instead is to be given a hearing in the high court in Dublin. A court has sent social workers back to Scotland when they could not produce any legal documents.
The children were removed by Scottish social services but the mother claims she was misled by people she trusted in order for them to gain custody of her children.
Sobbing, she says the days in Ireland with her daughter have been magic, she has begun to get her confidence back and keeps telling me �I love you mum� �She will not let me go anywhere but has to be with me�
[edited because of an allegation I cannot substantiate] Irish social workers and the Irish police arrived shortly after and took her daughter away not even allowing them to say goodbye to each other.
There was a court appearance the next morning and the judge said he would not send a child anywhere without legal documents. There never has been any legal ruling on the removal of the children from the mothers care.
The mother has been desperate to get a fair hearing in Scotland but social services have constantly denied her the chance. She claims there is proof of social services committing offences against her and her family.
Ends
Further information from:-
Jimmy Deuchars
Grandparents Apart UK
George Rolph
on July 20, 2009
at 06:11 AM
Report this commentChild Protective Services is a most lawless, brutal gang of criminals. They are the same all over the world. They take babies and children from good, loving parents and then subject the parents to horrific torture by forcing them to jump through hoops, and then ultimately, adopting out their children. Many of these children end up as victims of seemingly respectable citizens, such as the now-notorious Frank Lombard. CPS hides behind privacy laws, but will expose the most private details of a child's/parent's life when it suits them. Make no mistake, CPS is the most sinister gang of thugs to walk the face of this earth. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. They terrorize parents, journalists, lawyers, and all who dare to expose their Nazi tactics. Thank goodness for reporters who expose the truth; they will forever be remembered - along with the parents and others who fight against this demonic organization - as the true protectors of children.
CPSsucks
on July 20, 2009
at 06:11 AM
Report this commentI have read every comment, so I would like to just explain, a few facts. When they brought the new Act in ,with the help of both the MP's and the RSPCA. The Government was under the impression that the RSPCA could not be held responsable for their actions.
A test case need to be brought as there are a lot of loopholes in that presumtion.
You may not know if, as the husband did win his case, just except one eliment. Any costs that the RSPCA, are owed or for expert costs etc. Are claimed from the public purse, ( taxpayers money ). If the falsley accussed has no funds. So it seems they bring these cases and elaborate it as much as possible, this is so as you will, send or leave them money. When they get it wrong, they do not pay for their mistakes, you do. The pay their solicitors 3 or 4 times over and above the Legal Aid rates, they even go into the Magistrates Courts, to train the Magistrates, in how to conduct their (RSPCA's) cases before them. Hardly what you might call a level playing field. How can you get Access to Justice, with this one sided reseme. They further spend in the region of 9 million on the staff and cases in their Legal Dept. As for the commen, they are always asking for money. You know the extra 15,000 animals per year since the new Act, has come in, equates to 1.05 per inspector per week!!.
How many more lives will they distroy, and remember they advised the Government during its passage through Parliament
Some MP's and Lords showed concern to what was happening,
but the majority ignored the serverity of the legislation, its impact and its ability to be used against the
selected victim.
As for the case we are discussing The Police were used because a certain person was told by Jenny that Daddy feeds the dogs dead rabbits. So here you have the cache of guns, only basic air rifles then.
They were never shown a warrant, and to be perfectly honest, who would not 'kick off'in this fiasco, and vent their anger.
miscarriages_of_justice@yahoo.
co.uk
rose Jay
on July 20, 2009
at 06:11 AM
Report this commentLooks like RSPCA have shot themselves in the foot.
Jackthesmilingblack
on July 20, 2009
at 06:11 AM
Report this commentWe run a helpline for people experiencing difficulties with the RSPCA.
It is not widely know that the RSPCA have a theory that animal neglect leads to child, elder and disabled neglect.
In case after case that comes to us people are finding that social services turn up following an RSPCA visit.
There are more cases like this in the pipeline. We have been involved with this case from the beginning and it has indeed been heartrending.
Please, if you or anyone you know receives a visit from the RSPCA do not hesitate to ring the helpline number 0844 700 6690 or visit our site on the net.
Do not believe that the innocent have nothing to fear.
The Self Help Group for Farmers Pet Owners and Other Experiencing Difficulties with the RSPCA can be found at http://www.the-shg.org
Anne Kasica & Ernest Vine
on July 19, 2009
at 11:41 PM
Report this commentI understand that the family cannot be named because of court rules. However, is there anything which prevents the naming of the RSPCA officials and the social workers involved?
elilagalesa
on July 19, 2009
at 11:30 PM
Report this commentThese stories are becoming all too frequent.
In the interests of child safety, social workers have decided to robe themselves with the anonymity granted by an act of Parliament, to avoid scrutiny of their shortcomings, akin to state secrets involving National Security..
Unfortunately, this has being going on for decades, to varying degrees. I have previously related a story where I was involved on behalf of a parent who was trying to obtain custody of a natural child who had been put up for adoption by the other parent.
As I recollect it, this occurred 30 plus years ago, social workers took over the child, placed the child, a baby, with a family and then withheld the particulars of the family for some months. This was only revealed after a court order was obtained and a report on the family was eventually disclosed. The family wanted to adopt a baby.
It subsequently came out that one of the parents had a life-threatening condition, in certain circumstances. Those circumstances could have come about all too easily at any time.
The official Solicitor was also involved, ostensibly in the interests of the child. To say that I was unimpressed by their conduct would be putting it mildly. There was a lot of blather about their concerns for the welfare of children, but that is all it was, blather, there was no sense of urgency.
The months passed, and eventually the matter came to court and a judge, because there had been bonding because of the delays (engineered by the social workers) ordered that the child should remain with the people with whom the bond had been established, denying the rights of the parent. All because of the delays of the social workers. Was it because the client was a foreigner whose intentions and the care the child might receive abroad? I don't know, but it was my opinion at the time that this was a material factor, but because of the vagueness of this, could not be brought into account.
I have another tale to tell, not a tale, fact. Parents moved into an abandoned building on a cold winter's night to get children out of the cold. They made a small fire in the grate. The police intervened, took away the children, and aided and abetted by the social workers, kept the parents away from the children for two to three weeks until they were ordered by a juvenile court to return the children.
In justification of their actions, the police made 2 phenomenal scientific discoveries (never subsequently replicated). One was that asbestos burns, the other was that these of alcohol present in urine and beer and wine is capable of being ignited by a spark (god forbid you should be smoking at the time to go to the loo) and burns with a blue flame. This was not your local police, this discovery came from the forensic department of new Scotland Yard. The police and the social workers insisted on a hearing to keep the children away from the parents. It seems to me that truth and child abuse were the the main casualties.
Truth by the police, child abuse by the police and social workers.
Alf, working with children's mental problems. If that be the case, and even if a social worker, you too would be guilty of child abuse because of the damage done to the children, their emotional and mental well-being and in those circumstances should not be allowed to work with children at all.
The system is desperately in need of change because of the abuse by social workers of children in a safe and stable environment, and where they want well adjusted children for their adoption programs. That is an abuse of process, and nothing less than criminal kidnapping, abduction and no less traumatic for the child/children involved.
In years past, it was the function of the official Solicitor, and probably still use in a number of cases, to look after the interests of a child. With the new legislation, the official Solicitor is out of the loop.
This is no less than state/court sanctioned kidnapping and, regrettably, has been going on for a very long time.
The longer the social workers can delay reunification, the easier it is to persuade the court that it is in the interest of the child to remove the child from the stable environment that they had. They even apply for sanction to have the children adopted. That cannot be right.
May I suggest, to counteract the incredible amount of funds that are available to the social workers to achieve their aims, they also be obliged to pay for an expert to match their expert, meeting for meeting, and the expert on behalf of the parent to listen in and observe any interviews, any and all interviews, parents and children and different experts to cater for changes in emphasis with different emphasis, more than one expert. That way there would be a degree of openness and scrutiny of the actions of social workers, and the police, if involved.
If the police are involved, as in this case alleging firearms, and it would not surprise me to hear that the idea of that they went in with was because of an invention on their part, I have seen this on several occasions, albeit not necessarily in relation to children. The degree of force used suggests that the police should have been interviewed under caution, and being made to have reveal the source of the report so its veracity can be tested.
On top of that, the blanket gagging of parents must be removed . All this does is bind the parents hand and foot in relation to any action that they can take to protect their rights and those of their children.
I am not saying that there are not parents who are bad parents, because there are.
Essentially, and this has been recently upheld, the rule is "justice must be seen to be done".. This rule must be, indeed it is essential, in children's cases, that the public see that justice is being done. Too many stories are coming out about the arrogant abuse of power by social workers in such cases where there is a stable family, and report is being prepared without the parents being allowed to have their representative, a qualified expert, present at any such interviews or being made aware of the nature of the allegations until months later. This lends itself to abuse by the "protecting" service, protecting their own back, not looking after the interests of the child. If not revealed at the time, the authorities cannot, without overwhelming incontrovertible evidence either bring it up or rely on it.
An opportunity should be given to the parents to appoint their own social expert and that that is expert be allowed to sit in on interviews conducted by social service and that until that facility is made available, social services are not allowed, directly or indirectly, to interview the child. Professor what is his name, South something or other, struck aff and then reinstated, as an expert in child matters, but prohibited from being involved here after with children, is a prime example of another expert being required to prevent abuse, expanding on pet themes, theories.
This is yet another case following on from the recent case of a parent speaking to a head teacher and then the headteacher speaking to social services and the nightmare that followed.
An appropriate punishment for his social workers would be that they are prohibited from having children of their own or having their own children taken away from them because of their lack of judgement. Unfortunately, whilst it is a good idea, it is not good for their children that they have. Preventing them from having children would be a good idea, but never sanctioned. They should be removed from the profession, because if they have one such instance, there are probably others and if they are prevented from having children, they are going to punish parents who do have children in favour of those wanting to adopt.
The social worker concerned must be identified. It is more than likely that there is one such case, the social worker concerned has been involved in other such cases and has caused parents to suffer, unnecessarily, because of their lack of judgement. This will only be revealed if their names are known. This does not identify either the family or the child so there is no excuse for keeping the social workers name secret, other than to protect the state from claims of negligence and damages. That is probably the reason for the anonymity rule. It is also the thin edge of the wedge by the state to control our thinking, do not make waves otherwise do not be surprised if your children taken away.
If a doctor suspects abuse, within 48 hours the state must pay for the doctor of the choice of the parent to verify the original findings, as an expert for the parents. All too often these allegations are made months later, when all evidence is no longer available, other than the word of the attending physician. The allegation must be scrutinised at the time, not left to a report to appear months later which, whilst largely factual, could have been the result of some entirely innocent action/incident, as in the case of the child falling down the stairs.
Actions for negligence must be allowed if the allegation is suddenly sprung several months later. The parent should immediately be informed to allow them to obtain independent expert advice, scrutiny of the original physician's finding.
Clearly the state wants children's cases dealt with in the same way as state secrets. What is needed to be protected is the names of the child and the parents, not the finding of abuse by the state, its servants or agents. Clearly they are seeking to protect themselves from having to pay substantial damages, even punitive, where there is an overzealous social worker/physician or where they have their own agenda.
The above rules (by statue, careful drafting) could easily be achieved without disclosure of the identity of the child and all the parents and at the same time being open to public scrutiny in respect of the behaviour by state employees. It would be more expensive, but cheap in terms of child abuse by the unwarranted actions of state employees who may have an agenda of their own, or be put up to it in return for past future/favours.
Hugh
on July 19, 2009
at 11:09 PM
Report this commentThe RSPCA are a rubbish organisation. No one should donate money to them.
They worry about a couple of dogs undergoing a painless procedure while not protesting the utterly horrific Halal meat trade. Millions of animals die slow agonising deaths to satisfy religious lunacy. They care nothing for animals.
Is it any wonder they are up to their cowardly necks in this scandal?
Old Man
on July 19, 2009
at 06:00 PM
Never mind the animals, what about the children???
M MacDonald
on July 19, 2009
at 10:46 PM
Report this commentDon't think for a minute that this evil is confined to the UK. Here in NZ the powers of social workers are pervasive and destructive too.
Chris R
on July 19, 2009
at 10:40 PM
Report this commentDerek Armstrong at 06:02 PM.
Derek,
I am 55 and I too am sick of what the sickening evil marxist politicians have done to this once great country. The problem is, where to go? Cultural marxism has infiltrated all western countries, from Obama and the US to the rest of Europe; the Frankfurt School of Marxism has infiltrated the educational establishments and indoctrinated political correctness into all our children. What is at an advanced state in the UK will surely also develop in any other western country. Where next?
David T.
on July 19, 2009
at 10:34 PM
Report this commentWe must name and shame the people that did this. It happened somewhere in East Sussex (Hendry's constituency), in a formally genteel place like Eastbourne or Hastings.
Here are some palliatives citizens can use against these nutters, in order of evil:
1. East Sussex RSPCA: don't give them money and don't let them in your house.
2. East Sussex police: treat them as occupiers.
3. East Sussex Social Services: avoid contact at all costs.
4. East Sussex: avoid if you have kids or plan on having them.
JeremyT
on July 19, 2009
at 10:29 PM
Report this commentthis poor child and her parents are the ones that are suffering lets all hope and do something to stop these evil social services people from doing this to someone else
ben taylor
on July 19, 2009
at 10:28 PM
Report this comment"Here come people saying we all have a "right" to know everything about everyone else. Well no we don't. Even or particularly children deserve confidentiality"
@ Ursa - You know as well as I do that judgments can be made public and anonymised to protect the identities of the child.
This is on occasions done in the family courts. Family courts should be more transparent. After all, families/parents/children are not complaining about their private lives being laid out into the open.
The only people concerned about greater transparency are the professionals. Why is this? What have you got to hide?
I have gone through hell and back because of 1 rogue social worker and let me tell you something, I will have their job and make sure they never works again as a social worker.
If it wasn't for other social workers being truthful I would have lost my child and would be subject to further intervention if I had more children. It is this level of pure evil that must be addressed because I won't and can't let that go.
Thankfully I have encountered some great social workers with massive amounts of integrity, however if there is just 1 that is a bad apple that I have experienced then it tends to suggest that there could be more and it is these types that should be sacked and struck off.
If you are a good social worker then there should be nothing to be frightened or wary of. Greater transparency will only expose the pure and utter evil social worker types that I have mentioned. All other professions are accountable, so why not social work?
I would never have believed the issues as described in this article had I not have experienced much of the corruption myself.
I feel grateful every day for coming across some really good social workers who have undone much of the damage that this horrid social worker did to me and my family.
Leanonme
on July 19, 2009
at 10:25 PM
Report this commentThis is what happens when the state has given itself totalitarian powers, and then that state proceeds to deride the basis of a normal family.
The election cannot come soon enough to get rid of NuLabour and its neo-marxist agaenda.
DaveP
on July 19, 2009
at 09:56 PM
Report this commentFound your articles shocking and very upsetting being the mother of five children and seven grandchildren. It is hard to believe things like this can happen in the UK. What can be done to prevent this happening other families and to get justice for the families concerned?
Anne O'Connor
on July 19, 2009
at 09:48 PM
Report this comment"#
I attended the appeal as a McKenzie friend appointed to assist the husband who was representing himself.The QC representing the wife objected to me so I was reduced to the role of spectator whilst the QC (a prominent feminist)then devoted the next hour to criticising the husband for his bad temper and hostility to social workers" (Ian Josephs)
Just run that by me again... the loving couple had different lawyers and spent their time in court slagging each other off via these QCs? That doesn't quite go with the story as told by Booker. Are we hearing half a story by any chance?
S Burns
on July 19, 2009
at 09:28 PM
Report this commentI had a very simular experience, but mine was of my beloved horses.
My horses were stolen, ignored by the Police. The Civil Court senior Judge did not now the Law, he was dealing with. Listened To the Defendnts Barrister because he had not looked up the correct outcome.
This has invoked concern by the Law Commission. He then forced me to give up my case, with another mistake.Then another court mistake, because of the total incompetence of every court case, I was party to. Afteryears of fighting the system and three Judicial Reviews which the High Court managed to lose. I had more rare breeds taken. I then had to do something so deceided
to write a book. As I knew there must be many victims of this government, who quite honestly, do not realise they are victims. The Courts act in a way, like what happened to the Jones and convince the people in front of them, that they are wrong, and the courts are right.So just imagine how many poor soles, are out there. So I am writing a book to name abd shame the awful extent of injustice from the Labour Goverment,who should be called the Vacume Government, as they sweep everything under the carpet. I would love to hear from fellow victims to includes some extra facts. After losing in total 21 rare breed horse, and suffering from stress, I was swooped on by the RSPCA and taken to Court because, my very late pregnatcy mare, had lost weight, but there was nothing wrong with the others. To cut a long story short, the Solicitor was a disaster and the Barristewr not much better. I appealed by way of Case Stated myself, still not gone off, to the HIgh Court after nearly 8 months. This is not my fault. My grounds Perversion, Perjury and failure to Disclose. I made a complaint to the Charities Comm. and the Attorney General. Of course, as we all know as it is nothing to do with them. I had a letter this week suggesting, I go to the Justice Dept. I am sure that not only don't what they are doing, I do not know what their office does either. I would love to hear your fateful story, I do know the JONES, as we were both victims of the RSPCA, and the helpline put us in touch.
Email miscarriages_of_justice
@yahoo.c.uk.
rose jay
on July 19, 2009
at 09:26 PM
Report this commentLet me know when the protest in Westminster starts. As a future dad, I have a very strong interest in seeing this evil system broken.
Eric Worrall
on July 19, 2009
at 09:17 PM
Report this commentNot only is the removal and prolonged detention of this little girl manifestly cruel and unjust, the long term outcome for her planned adoption (against her own wishes and that of her parents) is highly likely to be unsuccessful.
Children of this age cannot be "re-potted" like plants (this is the theory of adoption that UK social workers adhere to). Any adoptive placement is likely to breakdown as the girl with increasing age gains more cognitive understanding of her situation.
How can the prospective adoptive parents proceed in good faith given the unjustness of this child's removal from home? The adoption 'industry' in the UK has a great deal to answer for.
When this girl is an adult she will have a very strong case to sue social services, and other professionals/agencies concerned.
Concerned
on July 19, 2009
at 08:57 PM
Report this commentI too am disgusted about this case, surely they could go to the European Court of Human rights, there must be someone out there who would speak up on
their behalf.
We can't continue to let these things happen.
This is especially upsetting after reading that a lot of suspect terrorists are now living in hostels, their human rights of course have to be upheld.
Even two of them here illegally
cannot be sent home, so I suppose I have to keep them.
I could go on for ever, but please let us have this story about the 'Smiths' on the front page and hope someone influential enough will come to their aid. T. Mitchell
tricia mitchell
on July 19, 2009
at 08:23 PM
Report this commentThis is another tip of an iceberg of miscarriages of justice. If anyone is willing to help fight this evil system can they please write to me at the House of Commons (or indeed email me).
John Hemming MP
on July 19, 2009
at 06:59 PM
Fine sentiments but the problem is Mr. Hemming that British governance and the entire (English) legal/administrative system is de facto unaccountable, unassailable and unchallengeable.
Unless you are very wealthy, famous and/or very influential or have powerful friends.
In any case as a LibDem MP you are, except in your own (sic) parish, quite impotent and irrelevant.
Nobody in government (Labour or Conservative) is going to take any notice of you at all beyond mouthing meaningless platitudes.
It cannot have escaped your notice that legislation once passed in Westminster, even of the most malignant, repressive or obviously wrong kind, is rarely if ever fully revoked.
I hope you can succeed in this instance but the entire and limitless edifice of an established and wholly corrupted political status quo and its malignant class warfare social engineering agenda is against you/us.
Paul (1)
on July 19, 2009
at 08:10 PM
Report this commentevil - evil - evil -
what else is there to say?
Only this:
God have mercy on this country
caged vole
on July 19, 2009
at 08:09 PM
Report this commentHaving had a run in with the SS some time ago (and won), I have had nothing but hatred for these people. I know of one person who is training to be a child social worker, so thick this person is that they have to have a special teacher to get them through the course (and more time). This persons kids are known druggies and have been in care and of course have had several little tax burdens between them. Hell will surely open up for many to come when this low life hits the streets running !!. We need to lobby for social workers with brains as a minimum requirement .
m
on July 19, 2009
at 08:00 PM
Report this commentI can't believe that Social Services are trying to campaign to have their image portrayed differently in the media.
The article in Take A Break was a complete joke and instigated by them!
Social Services are trying to silence those who have experienced injustice at the hands of so-called professionals.
Articles like this one where the TRUTH is told is what needs to be in the media! This is what the PUBLIC need to read about!
I must say I think the Telegraph should give themselves a pat on the back for reporting this. They certainly have my vote now and will hopefully capture the attention of all those who are disillusioned about how the system really works.
Social Services are taking children away from loving family homes and failing children who are in desperate need for intervention. Basically they are failing children and families on every level possible!
NP
on July 19, 2009
at 07:56 PM
Report this commentNeil Murphy
on July 19, 2009
at 02:03 PM
These are the 'same old same old' petty arguments from the SS we ALWAYS hear AFTER the exposure of yet another disastrously immoral sequence of covered-up atrocities BY the 'same old same old' SS!
Once we see ( remember 'Justice' must be "seen" to be done ? ) a 'Just' appeal investigated and openly remedied, THEN we just may start to think about rebuilding trust in these poor, underpaid and overworked, over-regulated and overly abused "Social Workers" - until then they remain on MY 'most-hated' List - Live with it !
"Hominis est errare" ( It is human to err ).
But, let us never "Ovem lupo committere" ( entrust the sheep to the wolves ).
And, if the State becomes the wolf - then let the State perish - simple ! Got that ?
Pavo Absolutus
on July 19, 2009
at 07:48 PM
Report this commentThis is another tip of an iceberg of miscarriages of justice. If anyone is willing to help fight this evil system can they please write to me at the House of Commons (or indeed email me).
John Hemming MP
on July 19, 2009
at 06:59 PM
Report this commentlord justice thorpe at the appeal hearing had his eyes closed resting his head on his hand next time he decides a little girls future he should go into it with his eyes fully open
a clark
on July 19, 2009
at 06:48 PM
Report this commenti was in court on the day of the appeal it looked like the lord justice bodey was wearing make up and lipstick did anybody else notice this and is it normal for a man to wear makeup
a clark
on July 19, 2009
at 06:39 PM
Report this commentEveryone who has read the story (Sunday Telegraph July 19 2009) on the family whose daughter was removed without proven reason should be ashamed of themselves if they are not hopping up and down with anger. Mealy words like outrage and perverted professionals that have already been posted do nothing - it really is time for action to try and get Britain back on a sensible and safe platform. I am happy to start a group Civilians for Justice or similar so that we can all get together, go out on the streets across the country, and start a tidal wave of anger against cases of sheer and cruel injustice.Does anyone want to join me? Lets stop whimpering and get some changes.
sally@tradewindspr.co.uk
Sally Smith
on July 19, 2009
at 06:39 PM
Report this commentBlood chilling story that confirms that sense of suffocation, and fear of showing normal love and concern especially in regards to children, when I spent a year in the UK after 25 years away. Even teachers fear helping children in distress and being innocently dragged into abuse cases.
The natural balance of justice requires that mechanisms to effectively challenge such power as the social workers hold over individuals, at every stage of this sorry story.
A true challenge for the Mother of Parliaments to correct, for civil society to realise and activists to fund raise for civil action against the anonymous civil servants.
John R
on July 19, 2009
at 06:10 PM
Report this commentThere is only one certainty.
Nothing will change.
Old Man
on July 19, 2009
at 06:04 PM
Report this commentThe main problem is that we have had a weak opposition party for the last 12 years: I am 67 years of age and cannot remember such an ineffective opposition. With such a useless opposition that routinely fails to hold the executive to account, is it any wonder that we have a rotten government, a rotten House of Commons and such scandals that regularly issue from our bloated, inefficient and arrogant public services.
Britain was once a wonderful country which has been turned into a third rate land by scum politicians. If I could ever get my wife to agree to it, I would emigrate tomorrow.
Derek Armstrong
on July 19, 2009
at 06:02 PM
Report this commentThis appalling case requires an independent public enquiry.
The adoption of this girl is highly likely to break down (because of her clear continuing attachments to her natural parents).
The Telegraph should publish the expert witness reports, the social services reports,and the Children's Guardian reports (all suitably anonymised) so that the whole debacle in the family court can be considered by the "Court of Pubic Opinion'.
Concerned
on July 19, 2009
at 06:01 PM
Report this commentwe know these people very well and know that they are two very loving and caring parents, the father was doing what he could to profide for his wife and child who was well loved and cared for in every way.unfortunetly we too are now going through the same thing but they took all 3 of our children,for what reason i hear you ask? well i stood on a piece of lego on the stairs whilst holding our then 7 week old baby girl,(now a year old)unfortunetly when i grabed the bannister to stop myself falling i dropped her and she fell around 6/8 stairs.when she was taken to the hospital there was a skeletal survay done(4 days later i might add)which came up with 2 fractures,one of the tibia and one of the big toe,it was said by the aparent experts that these were "non accidental injuries along with the bruising to her face and head" which i might also add wasnt there before the fall and only came out in the morning(witness to prove and was excepted by judge c in court)this was last august they took all 3 of our children saying there was sugnificant risk of harm to all 3,although never ever any dealings with social services before this and never any concerns regarding our other two children now 4 and 6,i obviously cant name our babies but for this article they can be J.C and H.the social services took it apun there selfs to destroy our loving family.we even moved whilst this was going on to a bungalow to erradicate the stairs but to no evail.
we are going to set up a protest mark in our area of east sussex to show people just what is going on, unfortunetly the "smiths" tried to do the same thing but were stopped by social services,we have no press ban on us so lets see if we can not only help us but help the "smiths" aswell.we are as the "smiths" did are going to appeal lets hope that more publicity helps get our babies back.
i must also add that we did ALL assesments asked of us by social services but all they did was use them against us so it seems that if like the "smiths" you dont do all assesments it goes against you and if like us you DO all the assesments that too goes against you.i would love to name the social worker involved but am not sure of the lagality of doing such a thing,surely just adding A.T.cant harm ay.
there are people who need help to get there children bac,aswell as the "smiths" we are just one of so many people that need that help.
k&s
k&s
on July 19, 2009
at 06:01 PM
Report this commentThe RSPCA are a rubbish organisation. No one should donate money to them.
They worry about a couple of dogs undergoing a painless procedure while not protesting the utterly horrific Halal meat trade. Millions of animals die slow agonising deaths to satisfy religious lunacy. They care nothing for animals.
Is it any wonder they are up to their cowardly necks in this scandal?
Old Man
on July 19, 2009
at 06:00 PM
Report this commentWords fail me. No wonder children are being battered to death elsewhere when social workers, police and the courts are too busy persecting the innocent to satisfy their own vindictive urges and/or cover their own featherbedded backsides.
These people should not EVER, be allowed to deal with children again.
Phil
on July 19, 2009
at 05:56 PM
Report this commentNazi judges got sentenced to prison after the war for abusing their powers.
The 3 judges in the family Appeal Court should therefore be jailed for complicity in the kidnapping of vulnerable young children !
Does Mr Justice Bodie wear lipstick?
I'm only asking !
ian josephs
on July 19, 2009
at 05:44 PM
Report this comment" Mr Justice Bodey ruled that, because the mother had refused that fifth test, indicating that the parents put their own "emotional wellbeing" in front of that of their child, the adoption order must stand".
No chance of the judge taking the child's emotional wellbeing into account either it would seem.
David
on July 19, 2009
at 05:44 PM
Report this commentNeil Murphy (2.03 PM July 19th)
There are so many reasons why you are wrong it is hard to know where to start.
Overworked and underpaid? Firemen, Policemen, Teachers, Nurses and many, many others , are proof that this is irrelevant.
If the problem is that our society is full of scum, why were the moronic vermin involved in this story harassing decent people and ruining their lives? Why weren�t they off dealing with the scum and leaving these poor people alone?
Social workers are not allowed to tell their side of the story. THEY DON�T HAVE A SIDE NEIL. They are not players in the story. They are supposed to be professionals, there to help, to protect and to support.
They are not supposed to show initiative? Does that mean that when they interpret a story about a child with a lollypop as being code for forced oral sex, they are following a book? There is a book somewhere that tells them to believe this?
Neil, obviously your wife is a social worker, but that doesn�t excuse the fact that the social workers in this story have behaved so badly they should be left in a dungeon and eaten by rats. Since this is a democracy, they should be named, shamed and sacked.
Tony Nicholls
on July 19, 2009
at 05:44 PM
Report this commentAside from the obvious tragedy of this case, which one would hope will now be expediently resolved, the gargantuan elephant in the room is once again the overbearing, unaccountable, intrusive control-freakery of New Labour State apparatus. This county is becoming unbearable to live in. For all intents and purposes there has been a coup d�etat during the last 12 years whereby appalling legislation (both home-grown and EU imposed) has systematically removed the rights of the individual. The only way things will change for the better is to kick Labour out and make sure the alternative (at the moment only the Conservative Party) is aware of public anger and therefore committed to protecting liberty, democracy and reining in State power. The UK has sleep-walked into a benign dictatorship.
Mark D
on July 19, 2009
at 05:19 PM
Report this commentThis is absolutely disgusting but it doesn't surprise me. Our children are now "owned" by the state. If anyone seriously believes that parents are just fighting the social services, they are incredibly niave. Parents are up aainst the judiciary, social workers, psychologists, psychiatrists, lawyers etc who make thousands of pounds "trafficking" our children. Any parent who tries to fight, risks being sent to prison, such is the draconian laws of the family courts.
I believe we will come to know in the future of a "stolen generation" of children who will seek justice for being ripped from the arms of loving parents. There is no way they will succeed in forcing this child to accept a new family. As for the people who knowingly steal innocent children, what goes around comes around, you will regret it one day.
As for Marietta Higgs, she works in Kent I believe. Unknowingly to lots of you is that Paediatricians in Leeds are still using the RAD technique to accuse innocent parents and remove children, but no-one is stopping them, so the Cleveland Enquiry did nothing to stop this injustice.
anon
on July 19, 2009
at 04:56 PM
Report this commentI am a retired teacher now aged 78 years old. All my life I had believed that I have been lucky enough to live in a civilized country. However, having read Christopher Booker's article 'Evil destruction of a happy family' in today's Sunday Teegraph I have been forced to change all my obviously complacent and completely mistaken views. Even more shocking is the enorced secrecy, preventing any immediate reaction from the public. I am not a huge fan of our EU membership but could not the 'Smith' family have appealed to the Court of Human Rights? Is it too late now? I am shattered both mentally and physically by the fact that such injustice and 'Stalinist' type activities can take place in this country
Mrs Audrey Goodwin
on July 19, 2009
at 04:37 PM
Report this commentSounds like the RSPCA lied to take revenge on the parents.
CBooker for PM. He's doing a marvellous job. There are so many decent, intelligent, common-sense people in the UK. But none of them are in power.
Chie
on July 19, 2009
at 04:37 PM
Report this commentmarrowman thinks we should solve this by returning to believing in mythical beings in the sky. Look how that worked out in Ireland!
Dave S
on July 19, 2009
at 04:25 PM
Report this commentIt is easy to criticise the heartless bureaucrats who run the family court system ,but it is better still to suggest remedies that could end the present injustices;-
SO: What to do?
- Stop the secrecy and the gagging of parents forced to remain anonymous and unable to complain under their own names.
- Stop adoptions of children for emotional abuse or for "risk", and open adoption records to children already adopted.
- Stop judges deciding cases of long term fostering or adoption, and give juries the final decision. Better still abolish forced adoption altogether!
- Stop excessive rewards for those who live off the misery caused by this wicked system!
This would be a very very good start!
ian josephs
on July 19, 2009
at 03:57 PM
Report this commentI personally know of a family broken apart by social services and the trauma will not leave the family or friends ever.
The two siblings were adopted into a family who were able to provide every advantage and every possible thing that money could buy. The birth mother, who had very little in material terms, cared so much for her children that she could have been said to have fussed over them. The professionals decided that she had Munchausen's by proxy and took the children away and had them forcibly adopted. Friends financially and personally supported the mother in a legal fight to win the children back but to no avail.
The elder child attained it's 16th birthday last year and immediately returned to the birth family leaving the other sibling behind. It is expected that the other sibling will return on the attainment of it's 16th birthday.
So many wasted years and so many tears.
This is a situation which is more prevalent than the general public realise and the worst of it is that it is being done in our name.
Poppy
on July 19, 2009
at 03:44 PM
Report this commentThis is a case of kidnapping/child abduction and all those responsible,including Justice Bodey, should be treated accordingly.
I wonder what the inspirational David Cameron, alledged leader of the opposition, has had to say about all this.
ian
on July 19, 2009
at 03:40 PM
Report this commentANOLDON
I appreciate that this is a HORRIBLE injustice,...but can I pull you up long enough to point out that it is NOT "England" to which you refer...........Scots like me are totally hacked off with the english referring to England when they mean Britain...unless of course you exclude the Scots system from any such critisism?
.....but the story as written IS appalling..regardless of WHERE you live !!!
RUSSELL MORRISON
on July 19, 2009
at 03:39 PM
Report this commentCan we abandon this ludicrous humanistic, materialistic, rationalistic and atheistic societal experiment and return to the Bible Christianity which made this country great now please?
marrowman
on July 19, 2009
at 03:35 PM
Report this commentWe spend so little on social services that out of 500,000 referrals a year only 30,000 can be picked up. Social work like education has been infested by political dogma but most often there is a high turnover . The money paid does not keep people in post and very little would compensate one for the horridness of the work. It ends up with Baby Ps and thousands of children left in squalor and neglect.
So we have no room to talk here. We are not prepared to pay for well trained excellence. It is worse that giving the Army an undo able job. Just letting prurience rein will not fix this. The way the service is conceived makes it an impossible job.
But I really detest the premise here that there is no such thing as expertise. This is what the Left have been pushing for years. There is no such thing as knowledge, expertise, or professionalism. They are too middle class and must be crushed.
Then we go on to the idea that we all have a "right" to know about every detail of everyone's abject misery. No we don't.This is not Big Brother, this is not entertainment.And lastly journalists with no training in any relevant discipline think they know better. Well no they don't.
There were 4 different psychiatric reports by presumably 4 different psychiatrists. None of them apparently can possibly know what they are doing because journalists know better. No they don't.
Children are not put up for adoption on anyones whim. Most of the time they languish in a series
of foster homes if they are lucky enough to get that.
Ursa Major
on July 19, 2009
at 03:35 PM
Report this commentWe are not England any more. I would never have thought this thing could happen in this Country.
Is this what comes of a Labour government? Is it all part of the plan to break down the FAMILY?
How is this child or the parents ever going to get over this experience? Nobody cares anymore do they?
Pure evil.
Anoldun
on July 19, 2009
at 03:09 PM
Report this commentExpect more, it was people with children who encouraged ridiculous child protection measures and laws. Now the tail is wagging the dog.
You only have yourselves to blame.
Baz
on July 19, 2009
at 03:00 PM
Report this commentSadly, a piece of paper stating a 'degree' after 2-3 yrs of sheltered living, does not replace life experience.
How many of those employed in social childcare have been 'promoted' from an entirely differnt source of employment because of incompetence ? Cheaper than dismissal.
MaryHelen
on July 19, 2009
at 03:00 PM
Report this commentThat's the British Paradise! That's why I left it over ten years and I am not coming back.
BenyJoe
on July 19, 2009
at 03:00 PM
Report this comment
We must not forget the words of Marx's collaborator, Engels:
"The family is the enemy of the state. Until the family is destroyed the state cannot take power fully....."
Richard Tracey
on July 19, 2009
at 03:00 PM
Report this commentsurely Mr Justice Bodey is an honourable man, and will be moving heaven and earth to undo this?
dominic
on July 19, 2009
at 02:15 PM
Report this commentI attended the appeal as a McKenzie friend appointed to assist the husband who was representing himself.The QC representing the wife objected to me so I was reduced to the role of spectator whilst the QC (a prominent feminist)then devoted the next hour to criticising the husband for his bad temper and hostility to social workers !
The three old judges took all this in and then upheld the decision to adopt the young daughter on the grounds that any willingness to undergo the 5th assessment was by now "too little and too late !"
In other words the hostility of the father towards social workers and not any other fault decided the court in favour of adoption of this unfortunate little girl by strangers !
I can only say that the girl is 7 years old ,loves her parents,knows their address and phone number, and would make any adoption impossible as she hates all those responsible for breaking up her happy home !
Why has nobody considered this important point?
ian josephs
on July 19, 2009
at 02:07 PM
Report this commentSimon Coulter 1058 19Jul09 :
Simon I have to agree.
I have spent alot of time travelling over the years. At the beginning I looked forward to coming back, but I knew when that feeling of dread started to creep in on the flights back as to what I could expect that that was the time to leave for good.
The change of perspective is instructive. Britain changes a little more each time, and never for the better.
lincolnshireduchess 0714 19Jul09 :
I should clarify - this is not the Britain I recognise, but I'd be interested to hear why you think I'm wrong
MarkW
on July 19, 2009
at 02:07 PM
Report this commentThis is a bizzare case presented
by Christopher Booker--even more
bizzare than the earlier he cited. That in his July 4 article: Is the state guilty of child kidnap?" where I posted my
commentary at 6:33 AM.
There are so many episodes or
errors bordering in ignorance
of law, excessive interference,
negligence, invasion of privacy,
professonal misconduct, false
arrests, false imprisonment,
civil rights volations,,
possible incidents of assault
and battery charges; and more.
But, it's hard to ascertain
which ones apply. Because, in
the first place, it's not stated
if search was lawful, officially
warranted by a judge based on
credible, substantiated and
reasonable corroborated evidence
that victims had a gun.
Is there any picture of him with the gun? Are there other witnesses to testifying that they have seen him with a gun? Can they describe what kind of gun, if possibble, to add more credibility to the claims?
Are winesses reliable, or just
the hostile type who have
qualms with victim. What kind of
neighbors are they? Have there
been previous altercations to
suggest sour grapes? What kind
of resident is the dog breeder?
Is he a nuisance? Some of these
issues can't be ascertained. But, they are necessary to determine or justify the level force used or kind of treatment used on victim and his family.
Unlike in the previous case
Booker brought which I analyzed,
failure to show ID was a reasonable ground to deny
immediate, peremptory custody of
the child which triggered a
comedy of errors thaat led to
further mistakes of law and
misppalications of law. Here,
case i that dog breeder did not
know date of dog de-tailing-
prohibition legislation had kicked in. Here, also, it's up to court or judge to exacc maxixmum penalty or award
clemency under first-offender
discretions.
In a place like the United
States this could trigger a
flrry of personal-injury claims,
along with civil-rights violation litigations. The
reason why these obnoxious
incidents happen in is because, there seem not to be sufficiant victims-rights legislations
in Great Britain. It's still
under development. This will
allow individual unreasonably
mistreated or hurt in the
process of state law enforcement
administration or operations to
seek judicious compensation and
public-perception redress so
that victims could reclaim
their reputation in a society
where presumption of guilt in
ordinary ciusmtances has
superseded the presumption of
innocent, until proven guilty legal traditions. Some level of remediations are needed in this case.
I can't go any further. I have a
staff meeting to attend in next
two hours to last for the
next 2 to three hours. Good
presentation of case story by
Booker.
Igonikon Jack, USA
Igonikon Jack
on July 19, 2009
at 02:07 PM
Report this commentThis is truly horrifying . As a married man , a Christian , and someone who won't go along with the Homosexual PC agenda , I am surprised I haven't had my children taken away !.Perhaps it is only a matter of time !
Ray
on July 19, 2009
at 02:07 PM
Report this commentI would urge everyone to sign the "Safeguard Child Witnesses" petition. These situations MUST stop, guidelines are not followed families are destroyed and the children suffer most of all rather than get the protection they deserve.
You can find it at http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/safeguard-child-witnesses.html. Please help us prevent further child cruelty at the hands of those supposed to protect them.
Billy Middleton
on July 19, 2009
at 02:06 PM
Report this commentThank god 4 dennis rice and chris booker who are the real compasionate men in our country shame on you social services headS should roll 4 what these evil people have brought on 2 this poor family jenny should be returned home 4 dinner tonight
Angela clark
on July 19, 2009
at 02:06 PM
Report this commentPerhaps someone from the authorities concerned would like to state the reasons for their actions so that public opinion can judge. They hide behind committies and secrecy rules which cause us to think the worst. They should come out and explain their actions in cases such as these or we will continue to think Stalinist Russia with its secret police is being replicated here.
Phil M
on July 19, 2009
at 02:06 PM
Report this commentRobespierre identified himself with virtue and the common good and it followed that all those who opposed him must be corrupt or subversives and could be exterminated without an ounce of guilt on the basis of mere accusation.
The Nulabour Party is packed with worthy Social Worker MPs who daily wear their virtue on their sleeves as they pursue their petty self-aggrandising personal projects to impose their will on the rest of us for our own good.
This shocking story, straight from Kafka, is exactly what one should expect after twelve years of Nulabour Orthodoxy enforced by mountains of Nulaw on every social front. Social Workers have always had a bad press and their disgraceful negligence in so many real child abuse cases is legendary-but they are now becoming an active element in the Ideological and Repressive State Apparatuses so skilfuly explained by the Marxist philosopher Louis Althusser.
In Nulabour and all its works we have truly bred a monster to devour all our formerly cherished rights and freedoms. If any of our liberties are to survive,we must roll back the power of the State.
Robespierre was brought down and executed, Marxist intellectuals have seen the dangers of 'one dimensional man' crushed by the manipulative state and yet... Nulabour goes on and on.
David
on July 19, 2009
at 02:03 PM
Report this commentThis story is absolutely shocking, though I am not all together surprised.
Regulations and guidelines are not followed when it comes to child witness interviews and the resulting damage is all to obvious to anyone who cares to look.
CWO exist to protect children but all to often become actively involved in aiding the prosecution's agenda at the expense of those they are supposed to protect.
Sanctions must be put in place for those who don't follow the guidelines that are flouted regularly.
www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/safeguard-child-witnesses.html is a petition that calls for just that.
Billy Middleton
on July 19, 2009
at 02:03 PM
Report this commentSame old same old. If the social workers don't take kids away and something happens they are vilified and hounded; if they do they are hounded. they are not allowed to give their side of the story and one off events that may be as portrayed here (or may not) are used to attack the whole profession.
Social workers in child protection are under paid and over worked, they are driven by government mandated rules and targets and risk punishment if they show any initiative and deviation from the process. Exercising personal judgement is discouraged.
Social workers are routinely assaulted and threatened by some of the scummiest people in our country and get no thanks for the good work done, just abuse for the small number of failures.
Basically they are damned f they do and damned if they don't, by self-appointed armchair experts who have never faced any of the people or situations they face.
The problem is not social workers its the fact we have so many vile scum in this country and the vast majority of us prefer not to notice what our neighbours get up to - we leave it to the police and social workers then criticise them.
Social workers and their ilk have many failings, but the principle failing is in society as a whole and it starts with the failings of government and the 4th estate.
Neil Murphy
on July 19, 2009
at 02:03 PM
Report this commentMy god what an excellent article. May I say thank you to the Telegraph.
It reads like science fiction, but from personal experience I know every word to be true.
The public are unaware of just how bad things are - and this issue will blow HUGE in the near future.
The social workers are literally out of control.
There is no accountability.
Parents and children are serving life sentences with not recourse for the miscarriages of justice.
Ann Cook
on July 19, 2009
at 02:03 PM
Report this commentI believe the other Arm of this Gestapo the CSA is being renamed the Child Enforcement Agency??... with regards to child support ' hearsay' evidence is now admissable and accepted by the Judge in Court, from the CSA, and this injustice is sanctioned by the Minister with no actuial FACTS having to be proved by the CSA. And this is the tip of the iceberg. ' Justice' is being erroded by the dictorial State in line with our Laws complying with the EU's. Now it seems you are guilty until proven innocent.
Yes Save Money get rid of all Guardian Advertised Jobs !
Clif
on July 19, 2009
at 01:58 PM
Report this commentThe British often criticize Germans citizens during the war years for not standing up to Hitler and the Nazis. They all knew about it but did nothing is the claim often made. It is therefore interesting to see how the British are currently reacting to such actions by the present government under its unelected prime minister. Where are the protests? Why don't people "do something" in the face of this injustice? I am sure that we British do not want to be seen as hypocrites... and anyway, it could be your family next!
DC
on July 19, 2009
at 01:58 PM
Report this commentAs a christian , a married man, and someone who won't go along with NULabour Political correctness , it is a wonder that I haven't had visit from social services yet !
Ray
on July 19, 2009
at 01:58 PM
Report this commentI attended the appeal as a McKenzie friend appointed to assist the husband who was representing himself.The QC representing the wife objected to me so I was reduced to the role of spectator whilst the QC (a prominent feminist)then devoted the next hour to criticising the husband for his bad temper and hostility to social workers !
The three old judges took all this in and then upheld the decision to adopt the young daughter on the grounds that any willingness to undergo the 5th assessment was by now "too little and too late !"
In other words the hostility of the father towards social workers and not any other fault decided the court in favour of adoption of this unfortunate little girl by strangers !
I can only say that the girl is 7 years old ,loves her parents,knows their address and phone number, and would make any adoption impossible as she hates all those responsible for breaking up her happy home !
Why has nobody considered this important point?
ian josephs
on July 19, 2009
at 01:58 PM
Report this commentI can't say directly what I really think, so instead I shall say: RED IS THE COLOUR OF REDEMPTION AND JUSTICE.
Daddy Warhol
on July 19, 2009
at 01:58 PM
Report this commentCommenting from Canada, I have a question for all of you posters who declare Britain a Nazi-like state and that you should live somewhere else. My question would be - where? Do you imagine that Britain is the only place where such PC monstrosities occur? Friends, let me enlighten you that nanny state nazismn and poltical correctness is a global disease and needs to be fought everywhere. You will not escape it by emigrating!
handyandy
on July 19, 2009
at 01:58 PM
Report this commentThis present Westminster regime is devoid of morals and its every move indicates an evil intent towards the population of these benighted islands.
BazzaG
on July 19, 2009
at 01:56 PM
Report this commentNational Socialism at work.
Capitalist
on July 19, 2009
at 01:56 PM
Report this commentThe police arrested the parents and, according to the account, left a 5-year-old child on its own for 2 hours. Is the NSPCC going to investigate this matter and bring a prosecution against the responsible police officer? If not, why not?
Peter
on July 19, 2009
at 01:56 PM
Report this commentMy wife and I were in tears when we finished reading this article - it is an example of Government gone mad - what has the Home Secretary who I saw smirking on the Andrew Marr show this morning have to say about the various services, ("It is now in the Law Courts so I cannot comment", he will say in a cowardly fashion). Who has been reprimanded for the disgraceful show of petty force by minor and probably ignorant bureaucrats. We should have names to shame.
Patrick Thomson
on July 19, 2009
at 12:35 PM
Report this commentObviously we - the people - are being terrorised by new labour and their supplicants . What we need to do is to establish a data base - a register - and identify these people and put them on the register . We need to protect ourselves from these people .
Kim L
on July 19, 2009
at 12:33 PM
Report this commentWhat evil is practiced in the name of 'doing good'. Child abuse, nothing more, nothing less!
Karl
on July 19, 2009
at 12:33 PM
Report this commentAh reasons to be powerful. For centuries, the main bases upon which people could hold sway over others was by means of warrior prowess, priestly / shamanistic status, age and sagacity or sexual wiles. Now we have credentialed 'experts' in every aspect of human endeavour including parenting and child-rearing. This has served to greatly multiply the opportunities for narcissists, bullies or the purely misguided who risk little and are rarely accountable. What aspect of civilized, higher thinking promotes the elevation of cowards, pipsqueaks and self-righteous idiots?
David M Bisset
on July 19, 2009
at 12:30 PM
Report this commentThis sort of thing is routine in "no fault" divorce too. Psychotherapists, judges, and social workers - in other words the divorce regime, continually claim the right to steal the children of legally unimpeachable individuals. Civil war is imminent, as these people will never voluntarily relinquish their power.
Stephen Baskerville is well worth reading on these constitutional outrages.
James Helvick
on July 19, 2009
at 12:30 PM
Report this commentI recall the poster I once saw in the back of a car: "I love my country but I fear my government." With good cause it would seem.
Every politician in the land should be demanding answers to this appalling iniquity. Unfortunately too many of them are mere spineless jobsworths who refuse to rock the boat. More power to Charles Hendry and Christopher Booker, although I fear they may not get very far against the enormous and uncontrolled power of the state as it now is. Shameful and utterly sickening.
Clive Goddard
on July 19, 2009
at 12:30 PM
Report this commentLong ago I decided not to have children in this god forsaken country
Long ago I gave up on the RSPCA when the loopy fruits brigade took over.
AdrianH
on July 19, 2009
at 12:30 PM
Report this commentWhat evil is carried out in the name of 'good intentions' and 'social management'.
Karl
on July 19, 2009
at 12:10 PM
Report this commentChild Protection Social Work is an oxymoron for a shabby collection of politically motivated under achievers trying to assert their distorted vison what is normal and healthy through unacountable acts of self-aggrandizement. I write this as a former senior manager in social work. The root of the problem lies in the training and in particular the prevailing culture of self interest amoung child pritaction trainers. Where I worked the "National Expert," on CP training had last been in social work practice in the 1970's and had been churning out the same model of training ever since.
If you want to measure how effective the quality assurance of CP social workers is just ask the following ;
a) What proportion of them have actually undertaken the Post Qualifying Award (PQSW) ?
b) What proportion have failed?
I think you may be surprised at the answers.
angus
on July 19, 2009
at 12:07 PM
Report this commentThank you so much for keeping this in the public eye and please keep investigating for everyones sake.
People who are yet to be attacked by the system are starting to wake up to the evils at last.
Those who havent and bury their heads in the sand may very well get a knock on their front door one day.
Nobody fully relaises the abuses by the state that are going on each and every single day in this festering country of ours.
It is the duty of us all to speak out and alert others wherever we see or know of such state abuse going on.
This horiffic case is the tip of a very large very nasty iceberg.
Beware of Common Purpose.
Black Hole
on July 19, 2009
at 12:07 PM
Report this commentI am quite appalled that this can happen in England. What the hell can we do about it?
Colin P Carr
on July 19, 2009
at 12:07 PM
Report this commentThe light of day shone into the murky workings of these vile marxists is the best antiseptic.
How many more families are being subjected to this.
The scary thing is that it is not one social worker but their department, management, the police, the courts and left-wing politicians - all conspiring against decent people and hiding their machinations from sight by court orders, secrecy and intimidation.
Why?
An answer to that question would be VERY illuminating.
Geoff Miller
on July 19, 2009
at 12:07 PM
Report this commentWhen Ronald Reagan was president of the US and happened to hear of injustices visited on individuals by the bureaucract he would pick up the phone and intervene personally. Don't look for anything like that to happen here.
Hal g. P. Colebatch
on July 19, 2009
at 12:07 PM
Report this commentAnother evil result of socialist dogma
Douglas
on July 19, 2009
at 11:50 AM
Report this commentGeorge Orwell was right 60 years ago, the State is the Sole judge of Right and,therefore, you must have done wrong to have been arrested in the first place. As for Social workers so many of them are sisters in faith to the Witch finder general.As for the Police they are now a quasi-militia that enforces Orthodoxy.
steve rainbow
on July 19, 2009
at 11:50 AM
Report this commentI wish more cases like this were reported. It is an great example of how one thing leads to another when it comes to Social Services and the next thing you know, you're children have been taken from you through no fault of your own! The public NEED to made aware of what is happening on a daily basis and the courts need to be open. Social Services MUST have someone to answer to when they have made decisions and taken action against a family based on little or more often than not, NO evidence of a abuse of ANY kind. Social Services are a law unto themselves and need to be STOPPED!!!
NP
on July 19, 2009
at 11:50 AM
Report this commentThe Hell that is Britain today. In a nutshell. I believe that Socialism is cult-like in its mindset. Its modus operandi is to operate on closed logic and be oblivious to rational thought. Marxism.
Ghastly people. A threat to freedom everywhere they manifest themselves.
The Stasi (DDR) operated most effectively using humiliation and social shaming. It never made mistakes. How could it? It sought to protect people from themselves and from corruption by anti-progressive forces. If you did't tow the line you were evidence of the anti-social and-anti-progressive elements seeking to undermine the workers and peasants state. Pointless trying to refute their charges. They were, after all, experts with years of experience of such things! And, of course, the never made mistakes or acted on incomplete evidence.
I had relatives in the former DDR. I feel instinctively that the many cases I hear from Britain would fit neatly into the Stasi files. Ie Stealing of Roma children because their parents would not conform to their status as workers in the socialist paradise provided tower blocks.
Richard
on July 19, 2009
at 11:10 AM
Report this commentI'm an animal lover but since living in France have decided that generally the British vocal minority prefers animals to people. How is it that the RSPCA has been able to wield such power and can call in large numbers of policemen? As another reader has said, it's so easy to attack decent, civilised people. Where are all these police when horrible crimes are being committed in your inner cities? Surely, the 18 officers who turned up armed with pepper sprays to search for non-existent weapons could have been better employed patrolling dangerous streets where weapons do exist? Perhaps that would be too risky for these "boys in blue"! Until Britain stops its over-sentimentalisation of animals and realises that people are more important matters wil not improve. It makes one ashamed to realise what this couple and their child have endured when the rest of us have been going about our normal, happy lives. What was the judge thinking? Perhaps thinking isn't something he does.
Liz Davison
on July 19, 2009
at 11:10 AM
Report this commentIt is as if Britain under New Labour has set up an army of witch-hunters who will never give up until they have someone's soul on a stick.
Mike Mitchell
on July 19, 2009
at 11:10 AM
Report this commentI suspect this may not go down well with some! But I have observed with a gradual dawning realisation - even a horror - that the "Care" authorities are being run mostly by women, and that those women can be brutally heartless (not brainless as some might be tempted to believe!).
What I have yet to discover is whether this brutality has been trained into them - or whether the truism of women being the gentle, caring, commonsense sex is simply not true?
Cllr Chris Cooke
on July 19, 2009
at 11:08 AM
Report this commentIs there no way that this can be corrected
What was the last judge in this matter doing - he had forgot that he is there to see justice is done.
Please name the social workers in this affaire so we can all be aware of these dangerous lying people and see that they are dismissed
David Skeggs
on July 19, 2009
at 11:08 AM
Report this commentReading another newspaper's report, it includes:
"Concerns about the parents had been raised when the father threatened staff at her school after an unfounded claim that a teacher had hit the child, the court heard".
"Alison Ball QC, for the mother,...acknowledged there 'may have been some behavioural issues'..."
"The child's bedroom ... had a hole in the roof and the duvet was filthy."
Maybe there were incidents involved in this case that were forgotten, ignored, or unknown by the DT journalist.
biba bolanca
on July 19, 2009
at 11:08 AM
Report this commentWhat a disgusting situation. Those officials responsible (if that is the right word) should be sacked immediately. If I had my way they, and the judges, would be publicly flogged. Perhaps then we would have some salvation from these 'do-good' idiots who live in their own little world where reality and reason do not exist.
Peter
on July 19, 2009
at 11:00 AM
Report this commentThis case is even more horrific than the the events that Chris Booker reported on two weeks ago. Along with many others I am desperate to know what happened when the parents appeared before the Family
Court on the Wednesday following your article. What kind of country are we living in?
Mary Metcalfe
Mary Metcalfe
on July 19, 2009
at 11:00 AM
Report this commentMany social workers have a thankless task. Damned if they do & Damned if they don't. The system they work to is perverted by secrecy "to protect the child." this aim being utter rubbish. The Government admit that there is little appropriate training and it is clear there is little vetting of the social workers themselves - many of whom are decent upright folks either overworked to the nth degree by the social structure imposed upon us in this failing country or ruled by ignorance at the head. Of course no-one will be blamed or will be asked to leave when justice is done in this case because that would be an admission that the policy is wrong. That policy (do not apply common sense) comes probably from a QANGO run by someone with a 2:2 at what was a polytechnic and endorsed by an equally thick politician parading as a minister. God save us from thes people and give the family back their life
RL54
on July 19, 2009
at 11:00 AM
Report this commentIs the daughter old enough to have a lawyer. Seems to me the trauma she's experienced should be answered to. The individuals and organizations involved must be held accountable for their actions and what seems to me a terrible misuse of not only their training but also their authority.
spirit
on July 19, 2009
at 11:00 AM
Report this commentMarkW
on July 18, 2009
at 11:30 PM
You are right. By suggesting the world has gone mad I actually detract from the reality which is that it is Britain which is an increasingly alien place.
Having been essentially ex-pat for 10 years myself I can confirm to you, soon to join me in that status, that the UK I return to several times a year is more unlike that in which I grew up, lived and worked each time I go.
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simon coulter
on July 19, 2009
at 10:58 AM
Report this commentMarkW
on July 18, 2009
at 11:30 PM
You are right. By suggesting the world has gone mad I actually detract from the reality which is that it is Britain which is an increasingly alien place.
Having been essentially ex-pat for 10 years myself I can confirm to you, soon to join me in that status, that the UK I return to several times a year is more unlike that in which I grew up, lived and worked each time I go.
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simon coulter
on July 19, 2009
at 10:58 AM
Report this commentThank you so much for writing this. I am stunned and appalled, and utterly sickened by what is happening in our increasingly '1984' society.
DR. Anthony O'Sullivan
on July 19, 2009
at 10:26 AM
Report this comment@Phillip Layton's "Hopefully we will be allowed to see what really happened."
Errr... no you won't. Not ever.
The social services will make sure the girl stays on the "at risk" register. Which will mean the cloak of secrecy is maintained forever.
You didn't really think justice would eventually be done, did you?
Brian Eave
on July 19, 2009
at 10:26 AM
Report this commentLabour has created masses of new laws and regulations, which only their goons have to time to fully familiarise and then use them to strut around like gastapo.
Dictatorship by statute. Like in Nazi Germany power is in the hands of the insane, twisted, perverted and downright incompetent.
In a more civilised society, politicians would hang their heads in shame over this tagedy they have caused; don't count on it from Gordon Brown. It goes against everything he believes in and stands for, in his cloistered little world.
What next for this "government?" A network of "corrective" centres/camps for people considered politically incorrect? They could even wear triangles on their stipey uniforms to denote their "crime" whatever thousand of new crimes this government considers more important than murder, robbery, rape, vandalism and terrorism (white triangle, of course, for racism.)
Unlike Nazi Germany, at least we have an election to look forward to, but with Madleson in charge at Downing Street, I wouldn't count on it.
Napoleon XXIV
on July 19, 2009
at 10:26 AM
Report this commentKayjays - July 19; 07:26 AM
I meant to comment on the pivotal role the RSPCA appear to have played in the sufferings of this family.
Perry
on July 19, 2009
at 10:26 AM
Report this commentSocial workers abduct a child from a loving home after one visit and ignore police evidence yet leave baby Peter to be tortured to death.
Then they wonder why we critcise them and they feel demoralised. Why do we waste so much money on these people? Aren't there burger joints that need need their floors cleaning and streets that need sweeping?
Mark
on July 19, 2009
at 10:26 AM
Report this commentAbsolutely appalling story.
Democracy is the cause of this state (pun intended) of affairs. By casting a vote, we assent to the delegation of power to the state. The state uses its "democratic mandate" to operate as a machine. Individual social workers (with a possible exception here), probation officers, police officers etc. are not to blame, but are contractually designed to be cogs in the machine. There is no accountability, because the democratic process takes the place of a true accountability, which would lead to the abolition of the flawed process. The state machine will never abolish its own processes.
Hans-Hermann Hoppe is worth studying. As he points out, privatised government (i.e. monarchy) is more just, more efficient, more responsive and far more accountable than nationalised government (i.e. democracy), any day.
It is time for an Augustan coup.
Advocatus diaboli
on July 19, 2009
at 10:23 AM
Report this commentThis is clearly a case of the "animal rights" sickos teaming up with fascist ZaNuLabour to attack political opponents. Remember the "animal rights" sickos in the Midlands who terrorised a perfectly legal guinea pig farm, and the nearby village, for years on end - with absolutely no intervention by the police? I will never help the police with anything ever again - they are instruments of Labour's sick, twisted and perverse stasi state.
Carl
on July 19, 2009
at 10:23 AM
Report this commentGoogle Common Purpose and then read Hayek's
"The Road to Serfdom" - it describes why we are in truth living in a fascist society. The supine British need to get their butts off the counch and stop watching TV and believing ANYTHING the government tells them. They will all be lining uo for a flu shot next.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/canadian-doctor-h1n1-vaccination-a-eugenics-weapon-for-mass-extermination.html
Merlin's Ghost
on July 19, 2009
at 10:20 AM
Report this commentUnder-educated public officials applying ill-considered procedures, derived from unnecessary laws introduced by Tory and Labour governments, ruining people's lives, is the inevitable consequence of the liberal consensus with which we have saddled ourselves.
It's too late for either of the main parties to recant, as they believe to their bones that they would never be elected for telling the truth.
ian
on July 19, 2009
at 10:20 AM
Report this commentWhat a truly horrific ordeal.
This is one time we should be grateful for an MP who spoke up for his constituents (although would he have been so vocal if Mrs Smith wasn't vice-chair of the local Conservative Association) and for a free press for drawing this horror to our attention.
I think the moral of this story is don't have children. I won't. Ultimately we as a nation would die out, and we could be replaced by other people who aren't so weak to let these types of practices go on unhindered. We have no-one to blame but ourselves. What will all the people outraged by this story do about it? Nothing. Voting Conservative won't make a difference. This is one time I wish I were French. Riots on the street. Overthrow this overpowerful state. That's what we need.
Giles W
on July 19, 2009
at 10:20 AM
Report this comment"Mr Justice Bodey ruled that, because the mother had refused that fifth test, indicating that the parents put their own "emotional wellbeing" in front of that of their child,"
Bodey is a Judge? I thought they were meant to have enough intelligence to think for themselves. A malevolent man easily led.
Must have been appointed by Straw.
Minnie
on July 19, 2009
at 10:15 AM
Report this commentOne correction from the earlier post. Dr Higgs was, in 2007, working in Gillingham in Kent, not Surrey. Apologies.
Tony Nicholl
on July 19, 2009
at 10:15 AM
Report this commentLooking at this from an entirely different perspective, I'm happy to see that there were dogs behind the initial problem. How much longer are dogs, cats etc going to be seen as normal cohabitants of people. Looking forward to outraged replies from the animal sentimentalists. Keep animals wild and invest in people.
David
on July 19, 2009
at 10:15 AM
Report this commentI met two social workers:-
case 1)
1965...ex-RAF regiment officer in east Lancashire.Worldy wise, respected and firm.
case 2)
1990....secretary at fire extinguisher firm, spent two years training as social worker.
Regularly , her twelve year old daughter would return from school and sit on her front door step for a couple of hours, waiting for 'mother' to return from her afternoon ex-marital liaisons with a local bricklayer.
dave b
on July 19, 2009
at 08:59 AM
Report this commentI support this campaign to regulate social workers. Many of them are probably childless and emotionally damaged people. I want to protest to my MP but I am scared of what the social workers will do if they find out I have written a protest letter.
j.goddard
on July 19, 2009
at 08:55 AM
Report this comment� One minor erroneous fact in the story - it has been an offence for anyone other than a Vet to dock a dog's tail since 1991/93 NOT just 2 days before the event. The law to which the reporter is referring tightened and amended this.
ANNA on July 19, 2009 at 07:26 AM
This is not true.
This was only prohibited under an amendment to the animal welfare act of 2006 and introduced from 6th April, 2007. It was not previously an offence.
Tony Nicholls
on July 19, 2009
at 08:54 AM
Report this commentIn the 1960s my mother (SRN, HV etc) did a course in social work at Ruskin College. One of her tutors told her that men in social work were failures in other fields - things don't seem to have changed much in forty years. If you cannot run your own life you can always try and run other peoples.
John Francis
on July 19, 2009
at 08:54 AM
Report this commentWho is the minister in charge? He should be answerable to Parliament. Also how many children are taken into care each year?
JP Chenet
on July 19, 2009
at 08:54 AM
Report this commentLeft wingers see the family as a competing power structure.
jimfred
on July 19, 2009
at 08:54 AM
Report this commentAs has been said, name, shame and prosecute under civil law every agency involved including the RSPCA who need to be wound down and a new unaffiliated body put in it's place
Rick
on July 19, 2009
at 08:54 AM
Report this commentFascism,and Communist dictatorships were associated with the knock on the door by authorities who were completely unaccountable! Wake up Britain to the creeping unaccountable socialist dictating, tax absorbing,mind numbing slow drift to state control , a dictatorship in the guise of democracy. If we keep spending such a proportion of the nations wealth on non productive state interference,the system will collapse anyway because ,apart from the moral aspect it will no longer be economically viable!!! Save the knock on the door by multiple armed police please (and we need our police, but who is directing this sort of thing?)for the bad guys who are trying to undermine us.
Angus H
on July 19, 2009
at 08:54 AM
Report this commentPublicity of these sort of cases is the only way generate the imptetus to get things changed.
The perverted viewpoint of the Social Services must be challenged and the parents must be given support.
We should also question the role of the corporate children's charities. It is in their financial interests to keep allegations of child abuse and pedophilia in the headlines and have stired up much of the pedophilia histeria. A headline in the Sun is much cheaper than a TV ad !!!
These charities also have close connections with the Labour Government and have had influence over legislation such as the contreversial Vetting and Barring Scheme run by the Independent Safeguarding Authority.
The constant 'all adults are potential child abusers' attitude is deeply damaging to society and must be rejected.
Tom S
on July 19, 2009
at 08:49 AM
Report this commentThis might be an extreme case but for this to even happen once is once too many. I try to put myself in the parents shoes. I can only imagine I would like be a caged rabid animal if someone took my children away from me. I would call on my community to physically realise me from jail and seize my children from their kidnappers. There needs to be an enquiry into this and people should be going to jail. This is the sort of thing a jury was supposed to protect us against. A jury should be the ones who try the state officials who have had a hand in this, and lock them up and throw away the key.
Stuart
on July 19, 2009
at 08:49 AM
Report this commentIt's easier for jobsworths to punish the law abiding in this country than it is for them to punish the wrongdoers; and it also ticks more boxes.
Perry
on July 19, 2009
at 07:30 AM
Report this comment"Alf
These decisions are not made by social workers alone."
Alf - Obviously you are a social worker, you should declare your partiality.
Regarding your quote I have two words for you - Marietta Higgs.
This woman went to one conference and learned one unreliable and unproven technique. She came away and started applying it in her work, with no permission or authority from her management. The fact that it involved an intimate and traumatic examination, administered without parental permission, worried no-one, least of all her.
Suprise suprise, she started to find "abuse," everywhere she looked, as soon as she started using her wonderful new technique, way above the expected norms. Again, this should have been a moment to stop and re-evaluate, to use other �techniques,� to cross-reference the results of what was, let us not forget, an unproven technique.
This did not happen. What did happen was that the evil Higgs mobilised the full forces of the state and ripped dozens of children from their families. Dozens of young lives were traumatised; the reputations of many more innocent people were besmirched. The mess took years to sort out and today, many families still suffer because of this stupid, evil, incompetent woman. A common urban myth is that the people of Portsmouth could not tell the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile. In the Higgs case, there was no apparent difference.
So Alf, how does your comment square with the Cleveland story. Obviously it does not, because you are wrong. Social workers get what they ask for and any �controls,� are inadequate.
You might argue that this was a long time ago, but are things any different now? Well, let us ask what happened to Higgs. That might tell us how seriously the state took this issue. Was she imprisoned? Surcharged? Disbarred? Prohibited by court order from going within 10 feet of a child?
No.
Until a couple of years ago she was still working with children. In Surrey instead of Cleveland. She may have changed her name, but she still believes she was right.
The fact remains that this evil woman who brought misery to so many through her sheer incompetence, was allowed to continue working in her profession says everything you need to know.
Alf, you are just plain wrong.
Cameron needs to save money. He could start by sacking every social worker in the country and employing dinner ladies to do their job. They would be better at it.
Tony Nicholls
on July 19, 2009
at 07:30 AM
Report this commentThis government has to go! And twelve years of legislation totally scrapped nd their goons brought to account in a court of proper law!
Napoleon XXIV
on July 19, 2009
at 07:26 AM
Report this comment.... the NSPCC and RSPCA consider themselves charities? Their constant 'appeals' engage every afternoon TV viewer.
Their registrations should be scrutinised for the legality of such draconian actions.
Such uncontrolled treatment of human beings is sinister.
Kayjays
on July 19, 2009
at 07:26 AM
Report this commentThis story makes me glad I do not live in the United Kingdom
Mike
on July 19, 2009
at 07:26 AM
Report this commentGiven that the vast majority of people naturally care and protect their children, coupled with so many horrors happening to families as a result of either mismanagement or interference by these social tyrants, I have to ask whether everybody would not be better off if they didn't exist at all.
Tony Collins
on July 19, 2009
at 07:26 AM
Report this commentHow easy it is to be swayed by a report in a newspaper. Much of the information is missing on which one might make an impartial judgement. Who supplied the information on which the story could be told?
One minor erroneous fact in the story - it has been an offence for anyone other than a Vet to dock a dog's tail since 1991/93 NOT just 2 days before the event. The law to which the reporter is referring tightened and amended this.
ANNA
on July 19, 2009
at 07:26 AM
Report this commentIf the Taliban behaved like this, we would feel justified in sending in the troops.
Richard
on July 19, 2009
at 07:26 AM
Report this commentLet's be clear here: the animal kooks brought the police back to the house to teach this couple a lesson. They had their children taken away from then and their lives turned to misery because the animal sickos didn't like what they did to the dogs. And it will happen again. And again. Until you do something about it.
MarkB
on July 19, 2009
at 07:23 AM
Report this commentI hope the parents sue over the miscarriage.
The petty overzealous undereducated social workers, judges and cops should lose their jobs.
Labour must be thrown out of office and their police state dismantled. School curricula must be cleansed of the poisonous PC doctrines.
Stan(expat)
on July 19, 2009
at 07:23 AM
Report this commentThis is fascism at its most effective. remember nazism was a state socialism.
The "experts" social workers and the police involved should be the subject of investigation themselves. There must have been political motives in this case and the Public servants involved should lose their jobs and be subject to court themselves.
john
on July 19, 2009
at 07:23 AM
Report this commentI'd agree with M J Jones. Every social worker I've ever met has been as big - or even bigger - a basketcase as any of their clients.
Unfortunately it seems to appeal to a certain personality.
Catweazle
on July 19, 2009
at 07:23 AM
Report this commentNo surprises here! Any social worker I`ve ever had the misfortune to meet through work has been a HALFWIT of the First Order. Unpleasant stupid people of below average intelligence. You dare take these idiots on at your peril. The last one I dealt with was known locally to be the local bike and she was charged with keeping her clients safe. The moron couldn`t keep her own life in check, how was she going to do so for anybody else?
Anaesthetic
on July 19, 2009
at 07:21 AM
Report this commentGeorge Rolph 7.16pm I found your comments very interesting.
In New Zealand we have had an
innocent man imprisoned for years,(who was convicted of child abuse under ridiculous circumstances), much of the evidence was laughable. He remains "guilty" to this very day because a feminist led government refused to face up to their mistakes.
j mckay
on July 19, 2009
at 07:21 AM
Report this commentGeorge Rolph 7.16pm I found your comments very interesting.
In New Zealand we have had an
innocent man imprisoned for years,(who was convicted under ridiculous circumstances), much of the evidence was laughable. He remains "guilty" to this very day because a feminist led government refused to face up to their mistakes.
j mckay
on July 19, 2009
at 07:21 AM
Report this comment20 years imprisonment would not be too harsh for all in the social services department involved in this.
Equally the RSPCA inspectors who chose to 'strengthen their case' by laying seemingly false accusations before the police should face prosecution under threat of imprisonment.
So long as this government sanctions and encourages the abuse of power by social workers and quasi-state instruments such as the RSPCA and gives them legal protection from the consequences then for so long should responsible ministers be liable to prosecution and long-term incarceration.
This must be brought to an end without further delay and any and all judges who believe in unpholding justice must stabd up now to ensure it is ended.
Perhaps it is time that all sensible and reasonable minded citizens attended, picketed and demonstrated at all hearings of the family and children's courts until judgdees and politicians realise we will no longer stand for these abuses by the state.
robin
on July 19, 2009
at 07:21 AM
Report this commentA nanny society gone mad. And ours (the US) is probably right behind.--Roger Williams, Boulder, Colorado USA.
Roger AC Williams
on July 19, 2009
at 07:21 AM
Report this commentI'm really appalled reading this. As one poster has said, "This is not Britain" and certainly not the country I was brought up in. I've always had a suspicion of social workers having experienced injustice from them nearly 30 years ago. Most of them are "the scum of the earth" and they have been given this power by New Labour that has destroyed the country I and others once knew. If you can leave, do so - before it is too late. Churchill once exaggerated that a Labour victory in 1945 would be equivalent to the Gestapo knocking on the door. 64 years later he is right in terms of New Labour.
Exile
on July 19, 2009
at 07:21 AM
Report this commentThe only course of action left to anyone concerned about developments in UK is to leave the country. The state is too powerful and intrusive to be taken on and any form of public protest is only likely to increase the chances of attracting the unwanted attention of the authorities. People shouldn't have been so blind when they voted successively for New Labour.
Charles Gray
on July 19, 2009
at 07:21 AM
Report this commentIf justice were to be done in this case, the judge and the social workers, expert witnesses and police responsible for this outrage would not only lose their jobs, but would receive substantial prison terms. That justice is not done illustrates a portion of what is wrong with British society today.
David C. Lachman
on July 19, 2009
at 07:21 AM
Report this commentMarkW... wish we could join you inyour flit. However,commenting on your point that it's not Britain,you're wrong. How did we let it get this bad?
lincolnshireduchess
on July 19, 2009
at 07:14 AM
Report this commentThis is another, horrific examle of systems going berserk in the UK. We've reached the point where the decent citizens of this country are paying too high a price for so called protection from potential perpetrators. Our Laws ofter get in the way of justice and we have people suffering at every level through the stupidity of the system, whether it's a fine for a missing headlight bulb, or in this instance a family unecessarily torn apart. So will a new government reverse this insidious trend?
lincolnshireduchess
on July 19, 2009
at 07:14 AM
Report this commentAlf 7:50 PM
This thing started with docking tails of dogs two days after it had become (pointlessly) illegal, and the RSPCA and police completely overreacting, harming the living child, killing the unborn one and potentially harming the dogs. What on Earth makes you think the girl might have been sexually abused? Surely the police and RSPCA should be prosecuted here, not the parents.
Richard
on July 19, 2009
at 07:13 AM
Report this commentJacob Steel, there is a simple explanation for the seeming dichotomy between Social Services needlessly taking away the children of loving parents, and failing to take them away from the likes of Baby P's.
Those social workers are terrified of the type of people who were in Baby P's home. Intervene? Why, someone could get hurt, mate. Be reasonable.
The loving parents, now, those are easy targets. Not dangerous at all. Plus they're the kind of people who need putting in their place, see?
No contradiction at all here. Both sets of behaviors are easily explained by the presence in UK government, including social services, of vast numbers of petty, vindictive, hate-filled bullying cowards.
I agree that this particular aspect of that regime deserves full front-page coverage.
Michael Vitsek
on July 19, 2009
at 07:13 AM
Report this commentWe have to demand that the curriculum for training social workers be reformed. Strip all Marxist claptrap, including sociology, it's nothing more than indoctrination and does not serve the interests of children or families. We have to purge all left wing ideology from schools and that includes institutions of higher learning.
Jenny
on July 19, 2009
at 07:10 AM
Report this commentWhat a terrifying story. I still keep an eye on what goes on in blighty - or should that be blighted -and what I hear horrifies me. What Blair, Brown and their cronies have done defies belief. To those of you still there who do not buy into the whole political correctness, nanny state mentaility you have two choices:
1. Get off your backsides and do something. Do not let the vocal minority get away with it. Organise yourselves and rise up against them.
2. Leave the country now - before it is too late. And if you ae right-minded, sensible people, I'd love to see you here in Australia. We are currently in danger of being dragged down the same road by our loony-left govt led by the KRudd, Wrong and the rest of the asylum. Your votes could help us get rid of the interfering lunatics here before they do too much damage.
Nigel Down Under
on July 19, 2009
at 07:10 AM
Report this commentGreat article.
Lots of heart string tugging and reader base motivation and outrage.
Have always had my concerns about the psychological type which wants to be a social worker and how closely they are vetted.
However, I do suspect that there may be more to this sorry saga from the social workers side of it and that the hanging drawing and quartering demanded by your readers may be a little premature.
Hopefully we will be allowed to see what really happened.
Phillip Layton
on July 19, 2009
at 07:10 AM
Report this commentBritain is a Socialist Marxist Republic and these are the Thought Police. It happened gradually but inevitably as people slept and voters voted. I still has porous borders so escape is possible but revolution is inevitable
TomTom
on July 19, 2009
at 07:09 AM
Report this commentThe story indicates that the destruction of the "Smith" family is not a bureaucratic accident, but a deliberate brutal assault designed to intimidate thousands of OTHER parents into obeisance to government jobsworths.
It is precisely because Mr. "Smith" was a dog breeder and his wife a Vice-Chairman of the Conservative Association that the unionized social workers and a left-wing judge decided to launch their vendetta against representatives of the "old society" they wish to destroy.
If even the "Smith's"
Ben Florsheim
on July 19, 2009
at 07:09 AM
Report this commentThe Social Services are only copying the successful destruction of the RAF and Army families, because they can succeed in taking children away from their main carer, who is virtually a lone parent. Then the commissioned officer can divorce his slave/wife and take all of the promised pension and the substantial gratuity payment(intended for house purchase)which was entered in the monthly salary leaflet. Near retirement the couple are posted to a HQ unit where a divorce is contrived and the wife is advised to visit the CAB to hire a solicitor, where unbeknown to her the MoD has planted an ex Wing Commander as manager, who processes all the special slave / wives through the next door solicitor. We are asset stripped with a vengeance, no half pension or substantial gratuity payment,(intended for house purchase)but worst of all we never see our abducted and brainwashed children again. When I discovered the fraud I corresponded with the Head of the CAB and stopped it. The bent solicitor lost his `nice little earner` as he was cornering the local market in Legal Aid Certificates, therefore he was compensated by being promoted to the President of the Law Society, thus ensuring that no other solicitor would take our case to sue him.
A full record of the fraud is at www.rafwives.myzen.co.uk
Eileen North
on July 19, 2009
at 07:09 AM
Report this commentAlf,
How could you possibly try to defend the authorities in this case?
There was no suspicion of the parents at the start of the case, this all came about because of a case of tail docking of puppies, not because someone had complained that the child seemed to be acting strangely or that they had heard or seen anything that may suggest child abuse.
It was a complete over-reaction and should never have happened and you are making excuses for these idiots.
Daisy Chain
on July 19, 2009
at 07:09 AM
Report this comment"a system involving social workers, police and courts in what is an obviously very close alliance should yet again have left a happy, loving family destroyed for no very obvious reason".
Be afraid, be very afraid that the system, that is the bureaucracy and numbers associated with a huge public sector, in excess of 6 million are employed in the public sector, re-enforced by the creation of a surveillance state, thought police and some police who are not there to protect the public but to do their utmost to ensnare them for any reason, could easily increase and degenerate into the 1984 scenario.
L Bronstein
on July 19, 2009
at 07:07 AM
Report this commentThe reporting of this story is written in such pejorative language as to almost defy belief and the reason for it, as far as I can see, has less to do with indignation at the treatment of the family but more about whipping up anger on reporting restrictions. The press want to get inside the family courts. This is about expanding their market as much as it has anything to do with righteous indignation. I always get an uncomfortable itch when the Press become 'righteous'. The lives of families caught in these situations should be spared from the salacious ogling of profit making private companies and a gawping, voyueristic, and judgmental section of the public who are only too quick to spew bile on those they deem unworthy at the bottom of a column such as this.
Joe
on July 19, 2009
at 07:07 AM
Report this commentRSPCA gave the Liebour party a million pound and I guess they are now getting there pound of flesh back.
I will never give this bunch of loonies money again and suggest that no-one else does.
The police once again are being used for politics and I for one will never do anything help any policeman again.
James
on July 19, 2009
at 07:07 AM
Report this commentOne thing is certain. We no longer live in a democracy. In any other country we would be labelling it a Fascist state.
We were taught the democracy meant "by the people for the people" and it was not just a vote.
Roy Norris
on July 19, 2009
at 07:06 AM
Report this commentYou British do not have a Bill of Rights. Our 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. Were my family willfully, knowingly, and evilly destroyed over a period of years, by social workers and police, I would exercise my 2nd Amendment Rights in a forceful and notable manner. After all, the 2nd Amendment was not written with regard to duck hunting. It was written so that the citizen could be protected from his despotic government. Somehow your "Civil Servants" have forgotten who has the whip-hand in public/private relationship. The average Brit apparently has also forgotten about individual freedom. Remember, the government that has the power to give you anything you want, has the power to take away everything you ever had and hold dear. The proof stares directly into your eyes. Should you doubt it, ask the family involved this this travesty.
Dave Heller
on July 19, 2009
at 07:06 AM
Report this comment@Claire
Don't expect fairness from Europe. This kind of thing has been happening there before it started here. I've read about an even worse case involving a little french girl taken from her parents in a dawn police raid at the age of 3. Her parents didn't get her back for seven years, and then only because her mother managed to flee to the UK with her. That happened in 2000. This country wouldn't be any refuge now. There's a book about it, called "All to Bring Victoria Home."
Blunt Instrument
on July 18, 2009
at 11:49 PM
Report this commentI must agree with MJ Jones (08.40pm) in saying that every social worker I've encountered has either a skeleton in the cupboard or a distinctly imbalanced outlook on life. How many are to-day judging others by their own standards? Certainly some observations I have heard expressed by them would never have entered my mind - even after profound study of child and educational psychology. Could it be attributed to the Leftist Tilt in which they all travel?
kayjays
on July 18, 2009
at 11:42 PM
Report this commentAlf @7:50PM, that wouldn't be ALF as in Animal Liberation Front, would it?
Catweazle
on July 18, 2009
at 11:34 PM
Report this commentDon't worry folks, if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear.
Harriet Harperson said so - I heard her myself.
Isn't that right, Alf @7:50PM?
Catweazle
on July 18, 2009
at 11:30 PM
Report this commentSimon Coulter - 2117 18Jul09 :
Simon - it's not the world that has gone mad, just this country.
This is not the country I knew, grew up in and loved, and I am sure the story behind this article is the tip of a huge iceberg. God help those involved.
This is not a country I will bring my children up in. For many reasons, but the thought that they could been torn away from my wife and myself at the whim of some social misfit according to half understood, misapplied laws that terrorises families such as those in this article is abhorrent to any right thinking individual. Himmler and Stalin would recognise todays Britain. It is no longer my country and is not one I will be associated with.
Thanks to Labour, Blair and Brown this country is morally and financially bankrupt. At every level - finance, defence, employment, economy, law, foreign relations, environment, constitution, social welfare - Europe - they have betrayed this country. THEIR country.
The state has a fundamentally misguided idea of what it's there for and what it should be doing. This article is proof in point. This country needs a MASSIVE injection of commonsense, be rid of Labour, Conservative and Liberal and return to its roots. Only then will this country be worth living in again.
The cause of the problem in this article is at the top. Get rid of that, the poisonous philosophy underpinning the system and the people maintaining a morally criminal system then things will begin to return to normal.
Unfortunately I don't see this happening. Labour won't since they'll see that as failure. Forget that we KNOW they're failures. The Tories won't either since even if they win the next election they will be too weak to do anything to reverse the existing system. The Liberals? Well, what do you think.
For me? I count myself extremely lucky. I'm leaving in seven weeks. Britain will always be the country of my birth, that can never change, but as I said above I will not bring my children up in a country where they and my family may be exposed to injustices perpetrated in the name of the "law".
This is NOT Britain.
MarkW
on July 18, 2009
at 11:30 PM
Report this commentThe authorities should be accused of murder of the unborn child.
sylvia darby
on July 18, 2009
at 11:26 PM
Report this commentWhat a horrific and appalling situation; it strikes the fear of God into any parent. Why not set up some kind of PUBLIC, overseeing, regulatory body to oversee social workers, akin to the General Teaching Council or Ofsted, to actually see that professional standards are being maintained and that children's interests really ARE being looked after? If the same rigour was applied by the government to social services as to the education system, miscarriages of justice like this would be harder to justify. And as for this poor family...well, I'm sure the European Court of Human Rights would take a very dim view of this travesty, even if our own shambolic legal system has let them down.
claire
on July 18, 2009
at 11:20 PM
Report this commentFrom comments so far:
"The most capable parent is the most dangerous and the most plausible."
This is classic conspiracy theory thinking. If a parent is obviously incapable, they are incapable, and if they appear capable, they are simply dangerous and plausible.
This is what is called a Catch-22. They've got you either way.
jon livesey
on July 18, 2009
at 11:15 PM
Report this commentState sponsored cruelty and viciousness directed against people who have been proclaimed guilty without any chance to rebut their accusers.
AFter the next election which should produce, at least temporarily, more honest people in Parliament we should all lobby MP's to create an Act expressly protecting private families from such gross outrage. It should make the actions of police, social workers and others who deliberately abuse their so-called powers, subject to criminal penalty.
If the families can't be named surely their tormentors could be in a civil action have to name and shame and get rid of these sadists.
Diomalco
on July 18, 2009
at 11:15 PM
Report this commentState seizure of children with psychological warfare is reported in the works of Alexander Solzenhitsyn, describing the era of Stalin.
What is the Conservative Party proposing, if anything, to cleanse the augean stables of this evil system of 'family law'? See Janet Daley's article today for the answer - nothing.
This, Ms May, is where political correctness ends up, and this is the real mark of a 'nasty party'.
To hell with the MPs who have devised such wickedness, all of them. Jesus of Nazareth had words to describe the fate of those treating children thus.
Tim
on July 18, 2009
at 11:10 PM
Report this commentSUE the Govt. In New Zealand presumed "misconduct" (to put it mildly) of bad behaviour of impossible social injustices
can/maybe become as wealthy as millionaires.
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Isabel Witty
on July 18, 2009
at 10:59 PM
Report this commentSocial workers must be subject to legal accountability for their actions. Where they grossly overstep the boundaries, such as this case, they should fired, disbarred from their profession and imprisoned for a minimum of 10 years. Possibly then they might start acting like normal human beings and not Marxist Robots.
Tony Nicholls
on July 18, 2009
at 10:59 PM
Report this commentThis appears to be yet more evidence of the general truth that any organisation, no matter how well meaning its objectives and most members of its staff, that is not subject to open public scrutiny and proper accountability is liable sooner or later to go off the rails. I hope CB will continue to publicise this case. The injustice is quite sickening.
Simon
on July 18, 2009
at 10:59 PM
Report this commentWell, given the series of events reported in this blog, we have no reason to criticize some dictatorial regimes of the past because we are suffering the same and sometimes worse.
Under the present Soviet Labour government, we shouldn't be surprised when our freedoms are totally ignored.
Carlos Cortiglia
on July 18, 2009
at 10:46 PM
Report this commentI find this case so utterly distressing that I cannot contain myself for fury with the idiot social services and courts who have blatantly connived at such open injustice.
jaytt
on July 18, 2009
at 10:42 PM
Report this commentIS LUNACY ONE OF THE QUALIIFICATIONS TO BE A SOCIAL WORKER
kevan hall
on July 18, 2009
at 10:42 PM
Report this comment"Destroy the family and you destroy society" V.I. Lenin.
Obvious the handbook NuLabour are working to.
Jackthesmilingblack
on July 18, 2009
at 10:27 PM
Report this commentI have the answer to such ''liberal'' institutional DIKTATS as these. Democratise every ''liberal'' institutional DICTATORSHIP in Britain.
Serve individual and collective ultimatums on any or all of these publicly funded institutional dictatorships - the police, the NHS, the Social Services, the BBC, the House of Lords (especially the Law Lords), local councils et al - that they must carry out the will of the democratic majority, i.e. US.
Inform them that anyone acting in defiance of the democratic majority risks direct action on behalf of this same. They'll get the message, loud and clear - and back down. It works for me.
Forget liberalism. Forget Islamism. Forget socialism. Forget conservatism. Forget ''left wing'' and ''right wing.'' Forget the ''rule of law''. Embrace the ONE thing that trumps ALL of these at a stroke: DEMOCRATISM, the rule of the democratic majority in all things, at all times, in all publicly funded institutions.
We, the democratic majority, rule Britain. Act accordingly. Use the internet. Unite and fight, individually and collectively. The ''liberal'' institutional dictatorships cannot hope to stop us. We are many. They are few.
It's dictatorship and diktat versus democracy and the democratic majority. Remember that. Action this day and every day.
Go to it.
Terry
on July 18, 2009
at 10:23 PM
Report this commentMaximillian at 9:15 is showing the direction we are going; Harridan Harperson suggesting people will need permission to breed, the new ISA register requiring even parents accommodating foreign exchange students to be vetted. Most people will rightly regard the secretive family court and the judges with contempt, why you can go to prison for that. Well the UK now with the stasi like mealy mouthed officials is one big prison with its over the top obsessive surveillance. They think they OWN us, that's why Gordon suggested with his usual disdain for public feelings that due to a shortage of donors, all your organs belong to him, unless you tell him they don't. The SS and Police involved should be named and shamed.
Rob
on July 18, 2009
at 10:19 PM
Report this commentThis country is out of whack on so many levels it makes me dizzy. Philip Hart is a sensible man.
Chris
on July 18, 2009
at 10:13 PM
Report this commentChildren of parents who are members of the client state can be and left in the "care" of their parents. They might end up horribly injured or murdered, or worse dead. BUT if you are a loving hard working middle class family, who commits a "crime" in the eyes of the social workers, your children will be whisked away from you and forcibly adopted.
Welcome to New Labour Britain.
mich
on July 18, 2009
at 10:03 PM
Report this commentWhen I was a student nurse, we had multi discipline tutorial sessions to see how each others field approached health care.
I can say, hand on heart that the social work students scared me from a physical, mental and professional viewpoint.
One lesson sticks in my throat though - when asked about being confronted by parents who think social workers are harming their family, the response?
"punish them, take their children and make them know who is in charge".
They thrived on the emotional and physical power they had over people even as students, and it really, really scared me to such an extent that I left England altogether before starting a family.
Ian Smith
on July 18, 2009
at 09:58 PM
Report this commentAnd none of this appalling travesty would have happened if the animal rights lobby hadn't got tail docking banned.
Andy
on July 18, 2009
at 09:54 PM
Report this commentM Jones
I have worked in child mental health for many years. These decisions are not made by social workers alone.
A friend is temp fostering while something is sorted out. Neither parent is capable. The most capable parent is the most dangerous and the most plausible. The court is requiring reports from everyone who has ever met the child. It is known that that parent is dangerous but all the reports are still gathered.
The idea that one discipline or a small cabal of people make these decisions is bizarre. It is just not like that.
Alf
on July 18, 2009
at 09:54 PM
Report this commentIt sounds like this has been done in revenge by an 'animal lover' - first a visit from the RSPCA about the tail-docking, then 3 days later they turn up again with riot police after a 'tip-off' about guns . . . ?! And just who called social services to take the child instead of a neighbour or relative? The whole thing is a fit-up. If the team of evil minds and hearts which put it together is so proud of its work each member of it should be willing to come forward and be publicly named irrespective of their legal right to anonymity. The fact that they hide shows they know the public lynching they'd get for the wicked, vile things they've done. A happy child has been traumatised for life by them, a mother has lost the child she brought into the world and another child she was bringing into the world all out of revenge for puppies having their tails docked.
I have really admired The Telegraph's skilful reporting over the parliamentary expenses scandal: this story is even more important - I wish the issue was devoted to a front-page campaign as well, and that The Telegraph would instigate and publicise an online petition for the public to sign, demanding an end to these heinous miscarriages of justice. It is very important to get one petition, well-worded and well advertised: Telegraph, are you listening . . . ?
Roz
on July 18, 2009
at 09:49 PM
Report this commentA lot of this could be brought to a crashing halt if the public servants concerned lost their immunity. Once it was possible to hold them personally accountable for their actions - sue them for damages, and lift their houses from over their heads - then they would be much more amenable to reason. Parents would not object to thier child's name becoming known. This should apply to police officers who wrongly enforce injustices (like extortionate clamping charges), not to mention little Hitlers in the NHS, and the recycling brigade. They are all examples of officials who need to be made examples of. They need reminding who is whose servant.
hangemflogemputeminthestocks
on July 18, 2009
at 09:42 PM
Report this commentIt's a shame that the social(ist) workers weren't so vigilant in the cases of Victoria Climbie, Baby P et al. I'm emigrating to New Zealand, goodbye. GB stinks.
Philip Hart
on July 18, 2009
at 09:38 PM
Report this commentstop whinging, you people voted for the socialists (twice in a row), you knew they were out to destroy the UK and its traditions, yet you voted for them. You were warned yet you voted for them. Now all decent British people are forced to leave the former UK if they want to live a normal life.
Emmy Grant
on July 18, 2009
at 09:38 PM
Report this commentWe can be sure that all social workers vote for the Labour Party and read The Guardian. And, hey, they are in a 'caring profession', so they must be truly caring; right?
John
on July 18, 2009
at 09:30 PM
Report this commentI occasionally say in these colums that only a revolution will put things right. Decent people must rise up to restore commonsense to the land and the nation. Who will lead us? Not Labour, Conservative or Lib-Dem that's for sure. Don't vote for them. Break the system.
james rogers
on July 18, 2009
at 09:27 PM
Report this commentIt is always going to be difficult to assess such cases, save for the independent voices who know the case(s) well.
It must be remembered that the Cleveland Child (Satanic) Abuse Allegations (involving Dr Marietta Higgs)and the resulting media fire-storm led to nearly all the children being returned to the childrens parents. However, what is no so much reported is that after the media attention waned most of the children actually got taken into care due evidence of abuse and neglect. This taught children to remain silent with regards abuse and neglect as Britain is still a society that places adults needs above children. Why, is it not the place that likes to say "children should be seen but not heard"
Frank
on July 18, 2009
at 09:26 PM
Report this commentAnother appalling example it seems, of the persistent Officially Sanctioned Evil dwelling in our Social Services and Police "Agencies".
Will not some valliant redtop Newspaper "Out" these vermin and publicly treat them to a taste of their own medicine ?
Good for Charles Hendry MP, who raised this issue with the Prime Minister - but will anything be done ? Gordon Brown is likewise not well-known for 'putting right the wrongs' - quite the opposite in fact - so perhaps the Newspaper 'encouragement might just spur him on ?
The Hell with these petty jobsworths' official safeguards of anonymity - OUT them - NOW !!
These parents and defenceless children are indeed "A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi !"
( Between the devil and the deep blue sea )
But surely Justice is not just something reserved for the powerful, the rich and the wicked ?
Time to take up this "Argumentum ad verecundiam " ( argument appealing to feelings of decency ) - this remains very much a PUBLIC issue which cannot be entrusted with passing politicians alone !
Outrage and anger must demand a very swift resolution - nothing less !
Pavo Absolutus
on July 18, 2009
at 09:25 PM
Report this commentIf the parents were not well connected - as in the two cases you have described - then these kidnappings would still be secret.
The implication is that you are reporting the tip of a vast iceberg. Hundreds or thousands of similarly broken families exist but are denied publicity because they have no influence.
There is a story here which is bigger, more scandalous and more important than MPs expenses. The police are "tipping off" social workers after bungling their own investigations, so they can use the secrecy of family courts to conceal their mistakes. Social workers are taking children for no reason, and are hiding behind the secrecy of the family courts.
It is time for the Telegraph to make the effort to determine the scale of this scandal, rather than merely reporting on the one or two cases which happen to come to light.
There has never been a better reason for the Telegraph to exercise its talent for investigative journalism.
What is stopping you?
Brian Eave
on July 18, 2009
at 09:21 PM
Report this commentHas the world gone mad?
Christopher Booker sets down this appalling story fairly baldly (and yet may still be accused of slanting it) - and we see that the pretext on which the child was retained, and the circumstances of the original need for her to be briefly looked after - never mind what happened to her mother in those few short hours - just does not stand water.
What the hell was going on here? The original situation - falsely believed - led to response which was were totally out of proportion and to a series of events happening to this family which beggar belief.
There has to be a mechanism which takes all the local social workers and even police out of the equation and allows the family to have what is taking place put under an impartial microscope.
The social workers look out of control. The GP and even one of their own are screaming alarm bells. The actions of the horribly treated parents after multiple degrading examinations are held against them.
The idea that any child can be taken from loving parents and forcibly adopted on the whim of social workers - who appear to have got things wrong in the first place then moved hell and high water to try and justify themselves - is anathema. This is about those so afraid of what will happen to them and the compensation case when they are proved to have been wrong that they will do anything to get a result which protects themselves, not the child, not the parents.
This case has to be the subject of an Inquiry.
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simon coulter
on July 18, 2009
at 09:17 PM
Report this commentListening to BBC radio 4 question time, it would appear that this type of tragic events will continue. Rt Hon Harriet Harman comments support my contention.
It should not surprise anyone if the government puts forward and carries out a plan to make it compulsory for every parent to be certified before they take their child to the nursery of the school because they also come in contact with other children and indeed have other children for a meal or a sleep over with their own child. This may even extend and become compulsory before a couple are give permission to have children.
We are now in a legal position where 'one is guilty unless proven inocent' and the legal principle of Habeus Corpus is for the books only.
maxmillan
on July 18, 2009
at 09:15 PM
Report this commentBrown's Britain - the country is paralysed by indecision and rules; political correctness overcomes any shred of common sense.
Mike
on July 18, 2009
at 08:59 PM
Report this commentThis is another example of a systme that cannot admit when it makes a mistake and everything spirals downwards. It beggars belief there are so many layers of professionals with so little common sense, or just one person who is prepared to stand up and be counted.
I have seen little evidence that Judges live in the real world and the sooner ther courts are open the better.
I am interested in the other of the previoulsy retported case but cannot find the "other page" mentioned in the article. Can anyone help with a link?
Seonaid Corbishley
on July 18, 2009
at 08:59 PM
Report this commentThese government employees and the police are the new Nazis and the should be sacked and go to prison.
James
on July 18, 2009
at 08:55 PM
Report this commentSocialism has infected the body of this country at every level - the teacher, policeman, medic, judge, local government official right through to the civil servant and MP. These people must be hounded out of every office and position they hold. It is not enough to prosecute those at the top; the names of every official, teacher, police officer etc. responsible for acts such as these must be noted and severe legal action taken against them. Root and branch is the only method when dealing with socialists.
Steve
on July 18, 2009
at 08:55 PM
Report this commentTwo of the commonest story-types in the right-wing press are "incompetent social workers take child away from virtuous parents" and "incompetent social workers fail to take child away from abusive parents".
Social workers have an incredibly demanding and thankless job - they have to make extremely important and traumatic decisions on whether to risk breaking up a normal family or whether to risk getting a child killed by an abusive one.
The information on which they have to make these decisions is inevitably grossly inadequate - we don't have mind-readers or the ability to predict the future. As such, there are always going to be errors in at least one direction, and under a decently-balanced system there will be errors in both. That is tragic, but it is not usually anyone's fault.
Unfortunately, social-workers are one of the bugbears of right-wing journalists, who miss no opportunity to excorciate them in both directions in alternate months, and completely overlook the hypocricy of doing so.
It is certainly entirely possible that in this specific case there has been either malice or incompetence on the part of individuals, but - unless one has far more faith in Christopher Booker's judgement and impartiality than I do - one should demand to hear the other side of the story before assuming that this is the case.
Jacob Steel
on July 18, 2009
at 08:55 PM
Report this commentI felt physically sick reading this. I'm fairly hot-headed, so if it were I confronted by this horror I know I would react like a raging bull in efforts to protect my daughter. No doubt I would be incarcerated whilst she was adopted. The social workers, chief constable and judge involved should be named and forced to explain their tyranny.
Taff
on July 18, 2009
at 08:52 PM
Report this commentI can not tell you how horrified I am with this story. As a parent of two young children, who I love more than life itself, the thought of them being removed from my loving care and put up for adoption (never mind the length of time spent in care with these imbeciles) by social worker nazi's would, in all honesty, drive me to murder.
The state is increasingly overstepping the mark when it comes to protecting children's interests under this socialist government of which this seems an extreme example.
Kristian
on July 18, 2009
at 08:47 PM
Report this commentI would like to make this general point ... a lot of what is wrong with our society is due to politians removing authority of parents and adults and using the instuments of state to interfere into the upbringing of children thus removing responsibilty of the adult and respect of the child to adults and and society in general
AndrewT
on July 18, 2009
at 08:47 PM
Report this commentAlf 7.50pm.
Plainly, you have never had anything to do with Social Services. As a health visitor nearly 20 years ago I was involved in a case when the social worker involved wanted to place a little boy for adoption (and stated openly that she wished she could adopt him and his sister herself - so much for professional impartiality). The mother was told that if she refused to evict her husband from the home the baby she was then carrying would be removed at birth and taken into care. The grounds for all this were flimsy to say the least, and the people who knew the family, the GP and me, were totally ignored. I have yet to meet a social worker whose personality is not flawed in some way. Add to this the power they have and the result is disastrous.
M J Jones
on July 18, 2009
at 08:40 PM
Report this commentTo my mind, a lot of this has to do with successive governments failing to focus on the well-being of the family, per se, as well as, more importantly, promulgating an ideology of political correctness in place of Christian values (especially marriage),and therefore feeling that they have a divine right to intervene and interfere.
The rot began, I believe, after the end of WW2 and accelerated greatly in the 1960's.
What we need to see, therefore, is a return to Christian belief and practice throughout the public sphere. The state could start by giving some recognition to the Church and its teachings, and then promulgating civilised Christian values, which have the person at their centre, and not abstract ideologies, which have a terrifying power to distort society in the way we have seen.
Tom Norton
on July 18, 2009
at 08:40 PM
Report this commentSpcial workers are truly the scum of the earth.
Those involved in this appalling case should be removed from their jobs, their pensions seized & where possible be charged with perjury and/or conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
George Miller
on July 18, 2009
at 08:31 PM
Report this commentIt is always 'good' men who do the most harm in the world.
Jaramogi
on July 18, 2009
at 08:31 PM
Report this commentMore evidence that government is no longer just the problem, but is now the enemy....
J. Newton
on July 18, 2009
at 08:31 PM
Report this commentThis case is in dire need of being subjected to A TOTALLY INDEPENDENT INQUIRY with the findings made available to public overview.
Many of us who have reported 'the seen' abuse of children have much to say regarding how we and our child abuse reports have and are being responded to, accounted for, recorded, documented and acted upon.
We have much to say regarding the action (or lack of it) taken by the relevant child protection 'bodies'
Our experience of very flawed 'judgement calls' made and being made by the SS is vast !
There is something very 'sick' which is running trough the whole child protection 'system' on A NATIONAL LEVEL.
In the best interest of restoring public confidence in the NATIONAL child protection policy and in child protection in practice there must be an URGENT government lead effort to get to the core of what is going so wrong in so many 'child protection cases'
As part of this effort The people who have had to report that children who they know well are being abused must be consulted and have their EXPERIENCE of reporting child abuse examined.
Many children who are caught up in child protection matters are being failed by very flawed 'child protection judgemdent calls' being made which are ruining many lives!
Enough is enough.
Something must be done and done NOW.
Which brave MINISTER will lead the effort and call for a complete redesign of child protection, in practice?
What has the NSPCC got to say?
How can they urge individuals, who have child abuse concerns to raise, to report them when 'the system' is being seen to be failing to reach the truth of the situation for so many children and being seen to be letting so many children and the adults who care for them down?
Darnthesafetynet
on July 18, 2009
at 08:30 PM
Report this commentWhat an absolutely disgusting state of affairs. Britain in 2009 - what the hell is this country coming to? That's the sort of behaviour the Gestapo would have been proud of. I would have thought that the Police might have had a little more commonsense about this than the odious social services personnel involved in this utter travesty. Be warned - all caring parents should now quake in fear than a perfectly innocent incident may result in losing their children.
Gabrielle
on July 18, 2009
at 08:10 PM
Report this commentI quote from elsewhere: 'There is no situation so dire that it cannot be made infinitely worse by the intervention of a social worker'
John
on July 18, 2009
at 08:10 PM
Report this commentAppalling. There is no excuse nor room in our society for the actions of thugs such as these who have plainly been promoted well beyond their abilities.
Roger. Leicester.
on July 18, 2009
at 08:10 PM
Report this commentI can just see how this has progressed from a genuine mistake by the social workers and police to a conspiracy to cover up and pervert the course of justice after Mrs "Smith's" miscarriage whilst under police custody after what appears to be a wrongful arrest.
It is not the "Smiths" who need psychiatric assessments, but the social workers, the police officers involved and the judge who ruled in their favour. We keep on hearing from defenders of the system that we should not enter into a culture of blame against public servants but they have shown time and time again they are prepared to lie and fabricate evidence to cover their own backs. This happens in cases of medical malpractise as well. It is well passed the time when we should have senior social workers, medical professionals and police in the dock facing charges of perverting the course of justice and perjury.
Until then, these corrupt incompetents will merrily go about their evil way of shifting the blame to anyone but themselves, never mind the carnage they create for innocent lives.
Jim Hendry
on July 18, 2009
at 08:01 PM
Report this commentTime for Mr Justice Bodey to retire, surely, and for the other guilty parties to be named, shamed and dismissed.
As a point of information, if the family has been named in parliament, then are you not allowed to report verbatim what was said?
Hamish McGlobbie
on July 18, 2009
at 08:01 PM
Report this commentWhy has this country not risen up and done something about these repelent, loathsome Social Workers. They are beyond the pale, removed from common sense, natural justice, wisdom, indeed anything which could be described as simple basic humanity. They hide behind rules, they hide behind their system, the hide full stop - and the complete ass of the legal system which surrounds families needs to be put through the wringer.
I find it difficult to exprress my utter loathing of these left wing, frumpy, cut-offs from humanity. The trouble is, society seems to be required to put up with them and the non-stop evidence that they are utterly useless.
"Lessons must be learned" what a laughable piece if drivel which they chat eacj and every time. They don't even have the sense to construct new words, a new presentation.
Someone add on for me before I explode....
John Walker
on July 18, 2009
at 08:01 PM
Report this commentThey can't get it right every time can they???? But when they get it wrong they are too arrogant to admit it and things like this happen. Happy families destroyed and, on the other hand, vunerable children tortured and killed while their parents get away with it for years. These, so called, professionals should be imprisoned for kidnapping. It's barely believeable - where are the safeguards???
Ken
on July 18, 2009
at 07:56 PM
Report this commentThose officials who behave with such impunity under the guise of legality and pompous self-righteousness ought to be publically disgraced and made to pay for their criminal and moral incompetence with their jobs.
Deborah Seddon
on July 18, 2009
at 07:56 PM
Report this commentHere come people saying we all have a "right" to know everything about everyone else. Well no we don't. Even or particularly children deserve confidentiality . They feel shame very keenly and those with insecure attachments feel even greater shame. Imagine having an intimate examination broadcast. That is how it would/does feel to a child to have private business made public. It compounds the damage . And all so adults can play out their personal dramas and career dramas at the childs expense.
Making it all public makes it all much less likely that inadequate parents will be able to quietly and generously admit their
inadequacy because it will be broadcast if they do. "Open courts" will compound the damage to parents as well.
People will always hurt by family courts. They deal with painful matters. It does not mean the judgements are wrong because there is pain. It is unavoidable.
Ursa Major
on July 18, 2009
at 07:56 PM
Report this commentAh yes - Marietta Higgs all over again. Very troubling, and look at baby P -the mirror image of the same problem...
This is all about state intervention and accountability of people who wield the state's power. I hate to suggest yet another state quango, but perhaps there should be a proper fast track appeals process in social worker state abduction cases?
inh
on July 18, 2009
at 07:56 PM
Report this comment
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
What is going to be done to put an end to these illegal intrusions into peoples private lives.
"1984" is alive and well and living in England.......... It is terrifying. The damage inflicted on this innocent child will cast a shadow on her childhood and, indeed, her entire life.
What is going to be done to prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future. And when?
It is hard to believe this can happen in England. I left years ago, intending to return, but I never will.
H. D. Burns
on July 18, 2009
at 07:56 PM
Report this commentWho is responsible ?
How will they be punished ?
Freddy
on July 18, 2009
at 07:56 PM
Report this commentThis illustrates why the UK is doomed. There is not a remote hope for a nation which behaves this way, or for a citizenry which permits it to happen.
Susan R.
on July 18, 2009
at 07:50 PM
Report this commentSince being divorced nearly thirty years ago, having been through what is termed the British justice system, I have had nothing but contempt for the states employees that consider themselves superior beings above us mere taxpaying mortals.
Keith
on July 18, 2009
at 07:50 PM
Report this commentForgot to explain the anal dilatation test - as told by the professor.
This involved suddenly parting the buttocks and observing whether the anus dilated in response or not. If it did, the child was removed because it must have been buggered.
The good professor used a round of rectal examinations to prove his point. 50% of patients he surprised this way did dilate, the others not. His point, no such correlation could be made. He said this absurd idea, like many others, had originated from the southern USA. This is the sort of nonsense these idiots latch onto. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
david
on July 18, 2009
at 07:50 PM
Report this commentthis is our govt aproving the use of former eastern bloc methods.
another indicator that this marxist government care only about their own processes and exercising censorship and mind control.
can / will the next govt or any other party fix this mess?
These things can be neglected by new governments who are keeen to make their own stamp rather than correct the wrongs of the former administration.
rikrok
on July 18, 2009
at 07:50 PM
Report this commentAnd you know about a medical report how? These things are subject to confidentiality. Perhaps this child had been sexually abused.Perhaps she told about "the lollipop" while demonstrating an action with an anatomically correct doll. Sexual abuse happens even in apparently nice seemingly normal families. Children still love even abusive parents.
Reporters do not "know better" than a vast range of people from varying professions who are not known to each other and who start with fresh eyes and a desire to behave as professionally as they can. It is possible that these nice parents are very plausible and people have been sucked right in.They may be plausible about covering up abuse and/or plausible about covering up personality disorders.
But journalists doubt there is such a thing as professionalism. They see themselves as crusaders or they just want to sell a story and make a buck.
Children are not put up for adoption without the most overwhelming and convincing evidence and the most exhaustive procedures.
Alf
on July 18, 2009
at 07:50 PM
Report this commentThere might be restrictions on reporting the case but are you prevented from naming the judges? How could revealing a judge's name possibly harm the child in the case?
Graham
on July 18, 2009
at 07:16 PM
Report this commentThis story is so sickening.
There must be a way to name and shame these horrendous people and judges who are destroying family life.
There has to be a way!
The child Jenny will ever after suffer because of this kidnap-there is no other word for it.
Can the family not sue the police for the mother's miscarriage?
I pray for this poor bereft family.
c.a.russo
on July 18, 2009
at 07:16 PM
Report this commentFor many years the men's movement in the UK and elsewhere along with many other groups, such as the excellent SNAP run by Anne Harris, have fought to highlight cases such as these and we have been politely ignored by just about everyone.
Fifteen years ago I personally was warning that these things were going on and that Social Services were out of control. Not out of the control of the State but out of the control of the people of this country. Social Services have clearly become a political instrument of the State in exactly the same way as senior management within the police service also has. That is incredibly dangerous.
Perhaps even more disturbing is that there are elements within the medical and psychiatric profession willing to act as the States servants who seem to have forgotten that their primary loyalty is not to the political machine but instead, it is to the people of our country.
It is this politicisation of various social institutions and key members within them that leads to horrendous actions like the one in this report. When the police, social services and various branches of the medical profession become embroiled in ideology rather than in their primary duty to the public, what you end up with is a loose coalition of ardent politicos serving not the best interests of children or anyone else, but a series of twisted political ideas and so-called remedies that neither describe nor serve the population as a whole.
Within the political field, the authors of these theories and solutions cannot bring themselves to see, or often, to even care, that the pathetic ideological lenses through which they see our society are out of focus and distorting their view.
Today's politicians have taken an incredible step in believing that they have a right to interfere, on a micro level, in the lives of ordinary people. Aiding them in this delusion are groups like the N.S.P.C.C. and the R.S.P.C.A. Groups like these become militant tools in the hands of government at both national and local level and find themselves being over zealous with the new powers given to them. That is exactly what is happening with Social Services also. Having campaigned for more power for years, when they are given that power they prove, very quickly, that they cannot handle it.
Politicians, instead of restricting that power again, then step in and start trying to direct it from their remote offices and equally failing to get a grip on things. Add in a little ideology such as the feminist hatred of the family and what you get is an irresponsible, often malicious and people crushing system that is out of control.
There is no real conspiracy at a local level here. (Though there may well be one at higher political levels) Instead, what you get is a bunch of well meaning do-gooders who are extremely incompetent, acting on concert in ways that ruin innocent peoples lives. All of that is bad enough, but when judges who have also been swayed by political pressure, start to back up these appalling events and decisions, you have a recipe for dangerous and sinister activities. Is it any wonder that there is a growing and deeply uneasy feeling in this country that the State has turned against the people?
That these things are done by people hiding behind political slogans such, "what is best for the child" makes these matters all the more disturbing when people can clearly see that the welfare of the child has little or nothing to do with the actions taking place!
This rot set in in the 1960's with the feminist idea that the personal is political being accepted by mainstream politics. It is not! Our personal life is nothing to do with politicians and as long as we are harming no one else, they have no business messing with it.
The politicians and the groups involved in this tragic fiasco should be hanging their heads in shame and doing everything possible to reunite this family. The weirdo that dreamt up the idea that a child choking on a lolly pop was really saying that she had been sexually abused by her father needs to be fired and his/her licence to practice in any kind of medical field irrevocably removed. It is obvious that their logic is on a par with a madman and they are not fit to be around children or adults in any professional capacity.
It is a shame that groups like ours have been ignored when we have tried to raise these concerns in the past. That is largely due to a complacent media being to ready to accept government criticism of us as "trouble makers" and to refuse to take us seriously.
I hope this will change in the very near future because, while much of the media focusses on only the big stories of the day with typical short termism, others in the country are looking at what is going on and warning about long term dangers but they are not being heard, until those dangers become a reality. By then, thousands of lives have been irrevocably damaged. We must be thankful that the media have now caught up but also hope that in future, they will be much more willing to listen than they have been in the past so that these tragic events are not allowed to happen at all.
While children MUST be protected in this country, politicians and the press need to realise that the nuclear two parent family is the safest way to do that and all of the figures prove it.
Governments make crap mummies and daddies. They cannot try and should never try usurp the family as they have been doing. Social services, hostile to the very idea of family for insane ideological reasons, need to learn to become the friend of the family if they are ever going to be effective. The police need to back off from turning into a Social Services militia force willing to raid peoples homes and steal children. Such an idea ought to horrify them. That it does not is one of the most disturbing aspects of modern life in Socialist Britain.
George Rolph
on July 18, 2009
at 07:16 PM
Report this commentEvents in this country get more worrying by the day.
Pragmatist
on July 18, 2009
at 07:06 PM
Report this commentAlmost beyond words. Each and every 'social worker' involved in this hideous case should be brought to account for themselves. Very long prison sentences should be given to
those found guilty of prosecuting this course of action. But this will not happen, of course, because they 'were just following the rules'. Politicians, prepare yourselves for the cells.
Toolan
Toolan
on July 18, 2009
at 07:06 PM
Report this commentWords fail me...
Sometimes the do-gooders end up doing exactly the opposite. Heads should roll for this outrage.
That poor family, my heart goes out to them
Daisy Chain
on July 18, 2009
at 06:59 PM
Report this commentThey're like the Stazi.
James, Balham
on July 18, 2009
at 06:37 PM
Report this commentI was reading medicine at the time of the Marietta Higgs disgrace when many families were broken up over her 'anal dilatation test'. My Professor at the time said she should have been struck off for it - she was never held to account.
Until these perverted 'professionals' be they social services, doctors, phsychitric 'expert' witnesses etc are made to pay for the damage they do, they will not stop implementing with the utmost rigor the latest perverted abuse theory doing the rounds. What they won't stand for though is the oxygen of publicity and ensuing public ridicule.
So it is time to blow away court restrictions. The internet is beyond the court's or government's control and parents and their supporters in these situations should use it to broadcast their plight.
david
on July 18, 2009
at 06:24 PM
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I am sad to say I think this sort of thing will be happening more and more in the future. It is the creeping normalcy of abuse. These institutions are drowning in the blame culture and their focus of conscious attention is on avoiding being blameable and appearing to do good things. The focus is not on doing good. It is perverse and by definition can only result in harm. They are 'keeping' their jobs not 'doing' their jobs. As more and more austerity measures are implemented the net effect will be to increase the abusive behaviour.
ReplyDeleteThe unprofessional, unkind, unreasonable and often actually unlawful behaviour of the individuals goes unchecked until there is a major disaster. Then only scapegoats are found and executed so the culture of abuse becomes more entrenched as individuals become more focused on protecting themselves.
There is a case of Children Services Abuse where Dave is complaining to the Children Services, the Ombudsman, the local MOP, other MPs, the Prime Minister, the General Social Care Council and nothing is being done. If the child died it would be a scandal and heads would roll but until they are caught red handed nothing will get done.
So my advice is to stand against every act of abuse. After all as Horton put it "A person's a person no matter how small" (or apparently insignificant).